Arsene Wenger Manager Bora Kuliko Sir Alex ..

[VoiceOfReason]

LMAO!!
Arsenal sio timu maskini kama unavyotaka kutuaminisha..... 3rd richest club in the world.

Exactly Mkuu..., na hii imetokana na Management ya Wenger.., ya kununua Cheap; Sell High na kumanage hata ujenzi wa uwanja mpya...

Tofauti na timu kama chelsea ambayo ni mfuko wa jamaa mmoja au Man United ambayo gate collection yake ya kila wiki hakuna timu inayoweza kuifikia England..., kwahiyo tunarudia tena Maybe.... Maybe..., The way of Wenger is how a Football Club should be run sababu hii winning at all cost mentality inaweza ikatukuta few years from now hatuna Football Club hata moja zote zimerun Bankrupt... (sababu the way players are paid and bought does not make economic sense.., na lazima tukubali kwa sasa mpira ni Biashara.)

 

[Mwita Maranya]

Exactly Mkuu..., na hii imetokana na Management ya Wenger.., ya kununua Cheap; Sell High na kumanage hata ujenzi wa uwanja mpya...

Tofauti na timu kama chelsea ambayo ni mfuko wa jamaa mmoja au Man United ambayo gate collection yake ya kila wiki hakuna timu inayoweza kuifikia England..., kwahiyo tunarudia tena Maybe.... Maybe..., The way of Wenger is how a Football Club should be run sababu hii winning at all cost mentality inaweza ikatukuta few years from now hatuna Football Club hata moja zote zimerun Bankrupt... (sababu the way players are paid and bought does not make economic sense.., na lazima tukubali kwa sasa mpira ni Biashara.)

Kama unakubalim kwamba mpira ni biashara, na biashara ni kununua na kuuza kwa lengo la kupata faida; tangu arsene wenger aanze kuvumbua vipaji na kuviuza kwa bei mbaya hizo pesa nyingi anazouza anazipeleka wapi?? halafu usitudanganye kwamba arsenal hawana pesa za kununua wachezaji, misimu miwili hivi arsene wenger amekuwa akisema ana pesa za kununua wachezaji lakini hanunui. Labda ninachokiona kwa wenger ni kwamba anaogopa kununua wachezaji wakali akihofia kufunikwa manake yeye ndiye mchezaji pekee star pale emirates, lakini pia anaogopa kununua wachezaji wenye majina makubwa na viwango vikubwa kwa kuwa anajijua uwezo wake wa kumanage ni mdogo kwahiyo low profile players ndio size yak!! Arsenal pesa wanazo tatizo ni wenger hataki kununua wachezaji, inawezekanaje mabeki wa kutumainiwa wameumia halafu wenger hanunui replacement huku anayo pesa mfukoni??

Tuache ushabiki usiokuwa na tija, mwisho wa siku mafanikio ya timu yanapimwa kwa kuchukua vikombe, hizi bla bla za kucheza beautiful footbal haziwasaidii ni suala la kujifariji tu. Beautiful footbal wanacheza barca na wanashinda vikombe, kama nyie mna falsafa mpya ya kucheza beautiful footbal bila vikombe basi mbadilishe jina la timu muwe arsenal football academy, arsenal fc haliwafai!!

 

[SirAF]

wenger siyo prof... ila ni mwalimu tena wa o-level. anahofu kudili na watu wazima km kina w.galas

 

[VoiceOfReason]

Please ku-underline what I have said naomba muangalia the following extract:-

In the last few years, Arsenal has not won a trophy. But in the same period it has moved to a new 60,000 seat stadium which fills to its capacity each match day and has a season ticket membership wait list of over 35,000. The club has also reached the final of the Champions League in 2006 and has qualified for the lucrative group stages of Champions League in each of the last 13 years under Wenger. But most notably, Wenger has built a team from scratch with literally little or no money spent and a team capable of playing one of the most breathtaking brands of football on the planet.

So apart from the on field accomplishments, what is it that makes Wenger a tactical genius? Let's begin with some raw data. From 1992 till 2010, Chelsea spent a net amount of GBP 381 million (That's not a typo. An amount which could buy Blackburn eight times over) on player transfers whereas the corresponding figures for Manchester City, Liverpool and United are GBP 428 mn, GBP 188 mn and GBP 135 mn respectively. In the same period Arsenal have spent a net of approx GBP 35 million, an amount which is lesser than comparable figures of Aston Villa, Everton, Sunderland, Birmingham, Fulham, Wolves and even West Brom. Even our self proclaimed successful north London rivals, whose perpetual claim to dislodge Arsenal have been going on for years, have spent an astonishing GBP 192 mn over the same period with no qualification into the European elite before this year. More recent data from 2003 shows only Arsenal, Wigan and Blackburn, among the current 20 EPL teams to be in a transfer surplus.

If we take manager expenditures, Jose Mourinho spent a net of GBP 134 mn on player transfers whereas Alex Ferguson has spent a net of GBP 135 mn (He should thank one Mr. Ronaldo for keeping this figure reasonable). Arsene Wenger during his tenure with Arsenal has just had a net outflow of GBP 25 mn. Moreover, it cannot be argued that Arsenal is currently sitting on the most valuable squad in the premier league in terms of money potential.

Instant Success and Rivals' Reckless Spending
Alex Ferguson took seven years before he could deliver a league title for United. Wenger did the double in 1998; his first full year in charge and after Arsenal had gone without winning the league for seven long years. Alex Ferguson, apart from winning titles for the Old Trafford outfit, is also known for blowing money on established players and youngsters. Carrick, Valencia, Nani, Anderson, Hargreaves, Nistelrooy, Veron, Berbatov, Ferdinand, Rooney were all bought for amounts greater than 15 mn GBP with the last five names costing over GBP 25 Mn each. Compare this to Arsenal where Andrey Arshavin is their only purchase for over GBP 15 mn and also the most expensive Arsenal signing ever. I am not even putting in Chelsea players here because then the number of United players mentioned above will look outrageously paltry in comparison.

United have also had expensive players like Veron, Forlan and Saha who have had better professional successes after leaving United. How many players can one think of who have enjoyed greater success professionally after leaving Arsene Wenger's Arsenal?

Few can argue (except stubborn united fans may be) that Wenger's eye for unearthing talent is next to none. He has picked players from obscurity and turned them into super footballers. Surely the wily Scotsman can also boast of nurturing talent during his reign at Old Trafford, but the sheer gulf in number of players developed can easily be compared with the enormity of Tiger Woods record breaking 1997 Masters victory.

Mourinho had loads of cash to splash which bought him two league titles. Ferguson inherited a strong United brand and may well leave the club in a far worse position than he took over. Wenger on the other hand will leave a legacy which other managers can only be envious of. Unlike his peers, Wenger has been successful in building two distinct teams over the last 10 years. The invincibles of 2004 were a stronger lot with the skills of Bergkamp, Henry, Pires mixing well with the steel of Viera, Parlour, Gilberto etc. The current squad is more technically gifted with the likes of Fabregas, Nasri, Van Persie, Walcott, Wishere etc and is a joy to watch for their football.

A large part of Arsenal's robust financials is also due to Wenger's frugal approach over the last few years. Just for a perspective, Arsenal would have had zero net profit for last four years had the spending mentioned above matched United's spending. The debt on the books is fast diminishing and unlike United, it's taken for an appreciating asset. The club is already in the top five football clubs worldwide in terms of annual revenues and could soon topple United. With an ever growing loyal fan base, a majestic money spinning stadium, annual profits of over GBP 50 mn and a supremely talented and hungry young squad, there is surely only one way ahead for Arsenal. A major silverware sooner than later will open the floodgates and could unleash an era of English and European domination.

A true test of manager's talent is derived by how much he can accomplish relative to the resources at his disposal. Wenger has proved that he stands all alone here with none other even close to him. No other manager would even dare to think of taking a challenge like "Project Arsenal", let alone trying and achieving success. Wenger may not be around managing Arsenal in 10 years time but the club will owe its future successes to the genius of the man who believed in doing the right things the right way.

Success for Arsenal on the football pitch is due soon. For neutrals and rationalists it will be a success of craftsmanship, hard work and self belief. It will also be a victory for the beautiful game of Football and will establish that titles can be won; by believing in and playing attractive football, without uncontrolled spending, by believing in a dream amidst criticism and most importantly by developing supremely talented footballers along the way for the future.
No wonder then, the one line which all Gooners swear by, can never be displaced…
"In Arsene, We Trust"

 

[VoiceOfReason]

Kama unakubalim kwamba mpira ni biashara, na biashara ni kununua na kuuza kwa lengo la kupata faida; tangu arsene wenger aanze kuvumbua vipaji na kuviuza kwa bei mbaya hizo pesa nyingi anazouza anazipeleka wapi??

Rejea Post yangu hapo Juu Arsenal ni one of reachest clubs sababu ya Wenger..., ametengeneza timu na kuifanya iwe financially stable tangia aje Arsenal inaingia champions league kila mwaka kwa kutumia budget ya kina West Brom, na ule uwanja wa Emirates kuamia na kujenga ni sababu ya Wenger.., Wenger ni Manager pekee ambaye ameweza kupata surplus kwenye transfer market vilevile na kushinda vikombe... It took Alex miaka saba kushinda kombe na pesa wakati imechukua Wenger miaka miwili..., kazi amabayo hata Blackburn walifanya kwa kutumbua pesa lakini sasa tunaona kilichotokea

halafu usitudanganye kwamba arsenal hawana pesa za kununua wachezaji, misimu miwili hivi arsene wenger amekuwa akisema ana pesa za kununua wachezaji lakini hanunui. Labda ninachokiona kwa wenger ni kwamba anaogopa kununua wachezaji wakali akihofia kufunikwa manake yeye ndiye mchezaji pekee star pale emirates, lakini pia anaogopa kununua wachezaji wenye majina makubwa na viwango vikubwa kwa kuwa anajijua uwezo wake wa kumanage ni mdogo kwahiyo low profile players ndio size yak!! Arsenal pesa wanazo tatizo ni wenger hataki kununua wachezaji, inawezekanaje mabeki wa kutumainiwa wameumia halafu wenger hanunui replacement huku anayo pesa mfukoni??

Arsenal hizo pesa walizopata ni sababu ya management nzuri ya Wenger..., na ameweza kumanage timu kwa kutumia pesa kwa busara tumeona spending hai-guarantee success, lakini Wenger ametengeneza legacy Arsenal ametengeneza foundation ambayo hakuna manager anaweza kubost

Tuache ushabiki usiokuwa na tija, mwisho wa siku mafanikio ya timu yanapimwa kwa kuchukua vikombe, hizi bla bla za kucheza beautiful footbal haziwasaidii ni suala la kujifariji tu. Beautiful footbal wanacheza barca na wanashinda vikombe, kama nyie mna falsafa mpya ya kucheza beautiful footbal bila vikombe basi mbadilishe jina la timu muwe arsenal football academy, arsenal fc haliwafai!!

Mkuu kwahiyo from your argument Blackburn sababu imeshashinda Premier League ambayo Liverpool haijashinda kwahiyo ina mafanikio...

Mkuu tuangalia Facts na tuangalie ni jinsi gani manager amafanikiwa na ametoka from point gani to point gani... refer post yangu ya hapo juu tena...

Ndio nakubali Alex amepata achievements zaidi Man United (in terms of Cups)
Ndio nakubali Liverpool is the most successful club in England
Lakini it remains kwamba Wenger alichoachieve Arsenal na alipowatoa na alipowafikisha na jinsi alivyofanya only a Genius can do that...FACT

 

[Eqlypz]

Voiceofreason hiyo article hapo juu umeiandika wewe?

United have also had expensive players like Veron, Forlan and Saha who have had better professional successes after leaving United. How many players can one think of who have enjoyed greater success professionally after leaving Arsene Wenger’s Arsenal?

LMAO unamzungumzia Saha aliyekwenda Everton baada ya kushinda 2 EPL na 1 UCL Man Utd au Saha yupi? Au unazungumzia success ya aina gani?

Instant Success and Rivals' Reckless Spending
Alex Ferguson took seven years before he could deliver a league title for United. Wenger did the double in 1998; his first full year in charge and after Arsenal had gone without winning the league for seven long years. Alex Ferguson

Kwa hiyo ni sawa kwa Arsenal kukaa miaka 6 bila kuchukua kikombe kwa sababu Wenger alichukua double ndani ya miaka miwili tangu aanze kuifundisha Arsenal?
Lol nimependa jinsi ulivyoamua kuruka vikombe vingine na kuandika kikombe kimoja tu ila to jog your memory kabla ya kuchukua EPL SAF alichukua vikombe vifuatavyo,
i) FA Cip winners 1989-90
ii)UEFA Cup Winner's Cup 1990-91
iii)UEFA Super Cup 1991

Ferguson inherited a strong United brand and may well leave the club in a far worse position than he took over.

Are F***** serious? Man Utd ya Atkinson au Man Utd ipi unayoizungumzia? Timu ambayo ilikuwa inakaribia kushuka daraja leo unasema ilikuwa strong? I give up.

 

[VoiceOfReason]

Voiceofreason hiyo article hapo juu umeiandika wewe?

Mkuu thats an extract kama nilivyosema hapo juu ila the facts zinaonekana kuhusu matumizi and they are undisputed

LMAO unamzungumzia Saha aliyekwenda Everton baada ya kushinda 2 EPL na 1 UCL Man Utd au Saha yupi? Au unazungumzia success ya aina gani?

Mkuu success ya mchezaji ni performance yake au medals alizopata...? Kanu alishinda Champions league na Ajax was he successfully there?, Quinton Fortune ana medals kibao na Man U je alikuwa successfully there? Mkuu Saha alikuwa anaperform better alivyokuwa Fulham na amepata games nyingi na kuwa na impact zaidi alivyoenda Everton...., Hivi ni game ngapi alicheza alivyokuwa Man United.?

Kwa hiyo ni sawa kwa Arsenal kukaa miaka 6 bila kuchukua kikombe kwa sababu Wenger alichukua double ambayo ni instant success
Lol nimependa jinsi ulivyoamua kuruka vikombe vingine na kuandika kikombe kimoja tu ila to jog your memory kabla ya kuchukua EPL SAF alichukua vikombe vifuatavyo,
i) FA Cip winners 1989-90
ii)UEFA Cup Winner's Cup 1990-91
iii)UEFA Super Cup 1991

Mkuu Authour wa hiyo Article hajaruka vikombe ni ame-state the facts kwamba Wenger alipata instant success without spending tofauti na Man United; Blackburn au Chelsea ambao ilibidi wabreak the bank ili kupata Success kwahiyo Wenger pekee ndio aliweza kupata success bila pesa

Are F***** serious? Man Utd ya Atkinson au Man Utd ipi unayoizungumzia? Timu ambayo ilikuwa inakaribia kushuka daraja leo unasema ilikuwa strong? I give up.

Mkuu what is a Brand...??? ; What is a Strong Brand??

Does it mean kwamba blackburn ambayo ilishinda premier league ni stronger kushinda Newcastle ambayo haijawahi kushinda kombe??; Does it mean sababu Liverpool haijashinda premier league ni weaker brand kuliko Chelsea..???

Mkuu hapa author amesema and I qoute.."Ferguson inherited a strong United brand and may well leave the club in a far worse position than he took over." Therefore MKuu it is debatable if a Debt Free Man United was a Strong Brand than a Debt Ridden Man United under Glaziers... Alafu lazima ujue kwamba washabiki wengi wa Man United ni "GLORY HUNTERS"... kwahiyo kukosa makombe kwa muda kwa United inaweza ikajikuta inapoteza mashabiki wake wengi na kubaki na hili deni ambalo inalo, sasa wakati Foundation aliyoiacha Wenger hata wakiwa Championship sio tatizo kwa timu....

Alafu wakuu hii issue ya kusajili.., Mchezaji akija mpya na Star anakuja na package ya wages kubwa na atataka awe probably the top earner kwenye Club tumeona jinsi Chelsea Walivyompa Ballack Wages kubwa wote kina Lampard na Terry ilibidi wapewe sawa na Ballack walivyosign a new contract... So Wakuu there is more than Just Fee ya kumnunua mchezaji wages comes into consideration na ukishaanza ku-break the Bank it can easily get out of a Hand.. A Thing which Wenger has managed to prevent tofauti na any other man under the footballing World..

 

[Eqlypz]

Mkuu success ya mchezaji ni performance yake au medals alizopata...? Kanu alishinda Champions league na Ajax was he successfully there?, Quinton Fortune ana medals kibao na Man U je alikuwa successfully there? Mkuu Saha alikuwa anaperform better alivyokuwa Fulham na amepata games nyingi na kuwa na impact zaidi alivyoenda Everton...., Hivi ni game ngapi alicheza alivyokuwa Man United.?

Alicheza mechi 124 na alifunga magoli 42, EPL 2, Carling Cup 1, Champions League 1
Everton amecheza mechi 95 amefunga magoli 33
na kumbuka stint yake Man Utd ilikuwa imegubikwa na injuries nyingi.
Louis Saha Bio, Stats, News - Football / Soccer - - ESPN Soccernet

Kwa hiyo siku hizi kipimo cha mafanikio ya mchezaji kinapimwa kwa idadi ya mechi alizocheza na sio vikombe na medali alizoshinda?

Mkuu Authour wa hiyo Article hajaruka vikombe ni ame-state the facts kwamba Wenger alipata instant success without spending tofauti na Man United; Blackburn au Chelsea ambao ilibidi wabreak the bank ili kupata Success kwahiyo Wenger pekee ndio aliweza kupata success bila pesa

Ebu tulinganishe manunuzi ya timu zote mbili kwenye misimu zilipochukua EPL

1992 Man Utd ilisajili wachezaji watano
Terry Cooke,
Pat McGibbon
Kevin Pilkington
Eric Cantona £1.2 Million
Dion Dublin £1 Million

Season ambayo Wenger alichukua double (1997/98) mbali ya kuinherit string teame kutoka kwa George Graham aliongezea wachezaji wafuatao
Marc Overmars 5.0 million
Emmanuel Petit 3.5 million
Luis Boa Morte 1.75 million
Gilles Grimandi 1.5 million
Matthew Upson 1.2 million
Alex Manninger 0.5 million
Alberto Mendez 0.2 million

Sasa kwa maoni yako Man Utd broke the bank?

Mkuu what is a Brand...??? ; What is a Strong Brand??

Does it mean kwamba blackburn ambayo ilishinda premier league ni stronger kushinda Newcastle ambayo haijawahi kushinda kombe??; Does it mean sababu Liverpool haijashinda premier league ni weaker brand kuliko Chelsea..???

Mkuu hapa author amesema and I qoute.."Ferguson inherited a strong United brand and may well leave the club in a far worse position than he took over." Therefore MKuu it is debatable if a Debt Free Man United was a Strong Brand than a Debt Ridden Man United under Glaziers... Alafu lazima ujue kwamba washabiki wengi wa Man United ni "GLORY HUNTERS"... kwahiyo kukosa makombe kwa muda kwa United inaweza ikajikuta inapoteza mashabiki wake wengi na kubaki na hili deni ambalo inalo, sasa wakati Foundation aliyoiacha Wenger hata wakiwa Championship sio tatizo kwa timu....

Hayo madeni yameletwa na Ferguson? Na tangu tumenunuliwa na kuwa na madeni has it hampered our success on the pitch? Kama mwanachama wa Man Utd for years sikubaliani na wewe au huyo author kuwa Man Utd was a stronger brand wakati SAF anachukua.

Given the omnipotence of Manchester United's global brand these days, it is hard to conceive the mess that Alex Ferguson inherited when he gave up an easy life at Aberdeen to venture south in November 1986. On his first day, half the first-team squad were nursing king-sized hangovers after an overzealous farewell to the previous manager Ron Atkinson; the bus driver used to sit in the dugout for matches; Graeme Hogg played centre-half; in his first game, Ferguson’s side were humbled by Oxford.

That season United finished 11th, as they did two seasons later; the year after that they finished 13th. Mid-table mediocrity was the norm.

Source; Hail To The Hairdryer

 

[VoiceOfReason]

Alicheza mechi 124 na alifunga magoli 42, EPL 2, Carling Cup 1, Champions League 1
Everton amecheza mechi 95 amefunga magoli 33
na kumbuka stint yake Man Utd ilikuwa imegubikwa na injuries nyingi.
Louis Saha Bio, Stats, News - Football / Soccer - - ESPN Soccernet

Kwa hiyo siku hizi kipimo cha mafanikio ya mchezaji kinapimwa kwa idadi ya mechi alizocheza na sio vikombe na medali alizoshinda?

Mkuu hizo games 124 alicheza kwenye season ngapi..? mkuu mafanikio ya mchezaji yanapimwa individually kwa michango yake katika timu as well as medals, ndio sababu nikakupa mfano wa Quinton Fortune alivyokuwa Man United ingawa ana medals nyingi lakini sababu alikuwa anacheza games chache huenda hata angechezea Stoke City football career yake ingekuwa meaningful zaidi, thats why Lucas Ladebe ingawa hakupata medals kama Fortune lakini tunaweza alikuwa na mafanikio zaidi kwenye career yake England

Pia Mkuu katika hayo magoli aliyofunga akiwa na United ni mangapi alifunga akiwa kwenye league cup (carling cup) ngoja nikupe stats za kwenye premier league Saha alikuwa
Fulham 4 Seasons Played 153 scored 53
Manchester United 5 Seasons Played 86 Scored 28
Everton 3 Seasons Played 79 Scored 26
( The Stats Speaks for themselves.... Need I Say More???)

Ebu tulinganishe manunuzi ya timu zote mbili kwenye misimu zilipochukua EPL

1992 Man Utd ilisajili wachezaji watano
Terry Cooke,
Pat McGibbon
Kevin Pilkington
Eric Cantona £1.2 Million
Dion Dublin £1 Million

Season ambayo Wenger alichukua double (1997/98) mbali ya kuinherit string teame kutoka kwa George Graham aliongezea wachezaji wafuatao
Marc Overmars 5.0 million
Emmanuel Petit 3.5 million
Luis Boa Morte 1.75 million
Gilles Grimandi 1.5 million
Matthew Upson 1.2 million
Alex Manninger 0.5 million
Alberto Mendez 0.2 million

Sasa kwa maoni yako Man Utd broke the bank?

Kazi kweli kweli....!!! hivi value ya 1.2m kwa mchezaji 1992 inaweza ikawa compared na value ya mchezaji 1997; alafu lazima ujue hapo kwenye hizo signings za arsenal same year Paul merson aliuzwa kwa 5m alafu hao wachezaji wote uliowataja waliuzwa kiasi gani na wenger baada ya kumtumikia (ili nisikupe kazi sana angalia overmass aliuzwa kiasi gani kwenda Barcelona)

Pia lazima ujue kwamba kipindi Alex anamchukua Cantona kila mtu alishaona talent yake akiwa Leeds so it was just who had a bigger wallet

Mkuu it is undisputed kwamba signings za wenger zimekuwa na value na kwa kutumia pesa ndogo... The facts speaks for themselves so no need to argue on that front....

Hayo madeni yameletwa na Ferguson? Na tangu tumenunuliwa na kuwa na madeni has it hampered our success on the pitch? Kama mwanachama wa Man Utd for years sikubaliani na wewe au huyo author kuwa Man Utd was a stronger brand wakati SAF anachukua.

Takwambia kwanini Man United iliamua kuchukua wafadhili kina Glaziers.., baada ya Abramovich kuja Chelsea na kuwaga pesa for the first time Man United ikaona haiwezi ku-compete na Chelsea when it comes to money, kwahiyo ndio wakaenda kwa Glaziers...., So it was during Sir Alex time when United got the Debt..

If you think winning at all cost mentality is better okay.. na siwezi nikakubishia, na kama unaona a Team without madeni na Team with madeni (ingawa inashinda makombe) is Stronger Brand, okay thats your opinion.

To me What matters its foundation anayoiacha manager for the future team..., (What is makombe, even Nottingham Forest was once a very big team in England lakini where are they now, Blackburn is one among the four teams ambazo zimechukua Premier League, but their Brand is it Stronger?, Leeds tried to go the same route we know what happened

So it is Undisputed it is ONLY ONE MANAGER and ONE MANAGER ONLY who has managed to win the EPL on a budget of a Championship team; while all others had to spend to the core.... and that my friend is a FACT no matter how you look at it

and Remember Managers, Players, Glory Hunters, come and Go.... BUT The Football Team and Loyal Fans Stay Forever.... (Therefore these Debts which clubs are piling will eventually come to haunt the Teams)... AND WENGER will leave a foundation which other managers will build upon. A Valuable Club with no massive DEBTS..

 

[Eqlypz]

Mkuu hizo games 124 alicheza kwenye season ngapi..? mkuu mafanikio ya mchezaji yanapimwa individually kwa michango yake katika timu as well as medals, ndio sababu nikakupa mfano wa Quinton Fortune alivyokuwa Man United ingawa ana medals nyingi lakini sababu alikuwa anacheza games chache huenda hata angechezea Stoke City football career yake ingekuwa meaningful zaidi, thats why Lucas Ladebe ingawa hakupata medals kama Fortune lakini tunaweza alikuwa na mafanikio zaidi kwenye career yake England

Pia Mkuu katika hayo magoli aliyofunga akiwa na United ni mangapi alifunga akiwa kwenye league cup (carling cup) ngoja nikupe stats za kwenye premier league Saha alikuwa
Fulham 4 Seasons Played 153 scored 53
Manchester United 5 Seasons Played 86 Scored 28
Everton 3 Seasons Played 79 Scored 26
( The Stats Speaks for themselves.... Need I Say More???).

Sasa since umekimbilia stats za Wikipedia ungeendelea na kutuletea story nzima kumhusu Saha wakati yuko Man Utd sio unachukua vipande vipande ambavyo unaona vitasaidia argument yako.

The 2004–05 season was a stop-start season marred by constant injury. Saha never really got going making only 11 starting appearances, 11 from the bench and scoring two goals. In September, he picked up a knee injury playing for France against the Faroe Islands which cost him a month. Then in November he picked up the injury again, also playing for the national side and costing nearly two months out. At the end of February 2005, the problem recurred, again leaving Saha out for a further two months. Over the summer Saha suffered another hamstring strain which ruled him out for the first three months of the 2005–06 season

Hiyo ni season moja tu.

In December 2006, he signed an extension to his contract[SUP][12][/SUP] lasting to 2010, though soon after began suffering from more injury problems. Groin and hamstring injuries restricted appearances and meant he only scored one goal in the 2nd half of the season. He returned as substitute at Roma but then soon picked up a knee injury. Saha ended the season with 15 goals in all competitions, aided by his pre-Christmas form.

Despite struggling with injuries in parts of the 2004–05 and latter parts of the 2006–07 and 2007–08 seasons, Saha still contributed 42 goals in all competitions for Manchester United in 120 appearances for the club.

Louis Saha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
By the way Saha hakukaa Man Utd miaka mitano hiyo number yako sijui umeitoa wapi.

Kazi kweli kweli....!!! hivi value ya 1.2m kwa mchezaji 1992 inaweza ikawa compared na value ya mchezaji 1997; alafu lazima ujue hapo kwenye hizo signings za arsenal same year Paul merson aliuzwa kwa 5m alafu hao wachezaji wote uliowataja waliuzwa kiasi gani na wenger baada ya kumtumikia (ili nisikupe kazi sana angalia overmass aliuzwa kiasi gani kwenda Barcelona)

Again wacha distortion na kupindisha maneno, sikulinganisha value simply kwenye post yako ambayo nilikuwa naijibu ulisema kuwa Man Utd kama Chelsea na Blackburn broke the bank to win titles ukilinganisha na Arsenal ambayo haikutumia hela zozote sasa nilichofanya ni kukuonyesha matumizi ya timu zote mbili katika hiyo misimu waliyochukua vikombe.

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Mkuu Authour wa hiyo Article hajaruka vikombe ni ame-state the facts kwamba Wenger alipata instant success without spending tofauti na Man United; Blackburn au Chelsea ambao ilibidi wabreak the bank ili kupata Success kwahiyo Wenger pekee ndio aliweza kupata success bila pesa

Mkuu naomba niishie hapa maana hapa naona huna nia ya kutaka tuelimishane bali unataka tukubaliane na wewe kibubusa tu.