Arab world still far from becoming a 'knowledge society'

[Mahesabu]

Ama kweli dunia ina maajabu yake...wakati kuna tetesi kuwa kuna nchi zinajiandaa kutengeneza/zimetengeneza MAGARI YANAYOTUMIA GESI/ MAJI badala ya mafuta.....au MAGARI YA KUTUMIA UMEME.......(unalichaji kama simu)......
huku NISHATI YA JUA ikishika kasi..bado mwarabu kang'ang'ana na mafuta yake tu....!
hivi overnight ikitokea MITAMBO a.k.a magari yote kutumia solar energy itakuwa vipi?
example...magari ya kabreta na kuwa injection........si itakuwa balaa kwa wenzetu?

 

[MaxShimba]

You are not trying to validate a rule by citing an exception now, are you?

You are not saying something similar to "All Africans are black, the exception being Moroccans and other North Africans who are white, this is a white Moroccan African, therefore all Africans are black" ?

Some truth are unescapable. If Islamic word wont follow certain rules of life, and opt out sharia in man kind, they will continue to be backward in life. As such, Arab institutions in Arab States kept themselves away from more profitable areas of science and technology and wasted their precious time on fruitless pursuits such as islamic theological works-Sharia.

A civilization cannot flourish by glorifying past and thumping chests on past laurels, achievements and greatness. It has to keep abreast with change of time and the requirements of modern age.

Turkey has recognized that, sharia causes backwardness in life.

 

[Bluray]

Some truth are unescapable. If Islamic word wont follow certain rules of life, and opt out sharia in man kind, they will continue to be backward in life. As such, Arab institutions in Arab States kept themselves away from more profitable areas of science and technology and wasted their precious time on fruitless pursuits such as islamic theological works-Sharia.

A civilization cannot flourish by glorifying past and thumping chests on past laurels, achievements and greatness. It has to keep abreast with change of time and the requirements of modern age.

Turkey has recognized that, sharia causes backwardness in life.

As true as the above is, one cannot help noticing that Africa has the same problem, albeit not deeply rooted in sharia.Africa's problem is rooted in the almost institutionalized lack of and non-commitment to the rule of law.

One can follow the same parallels and argue that the only major difference between Africa and oil rich Arabic countries following sharia is oil.

For the Arab's penchant for sharia we have our unflinching dedication to non-commitment to the rule of law.

We have our own brand of isolationism and complacency which rival the Arabs.

So while it may be true that a lot of these issues are cultural within the Arab world, we will be kidding ourselves in saying that Africa, even Christian Africa, does not face the same challenges.

Is there a common trait that predate Chriostianity and Islam here? Is Islam the product of this culture of complacency, rather than the cause?

How much is Christianity a cause for the non-complacency of Norwegians and how much is due to their industrious Viking heritage and rough conditions? After all, the Ugandans are mostly Christians but cannot be said - when we put all political correctness aside-to have the natural level of industriousness of the Norwegians when everything is put into the scales of proportions.

Are we dumbing down deeper causative issues when we look at Islam? Isn't Islam just a recent transplant into the Arab world?

One can say at least Islamic Saudi Arabia for example, has managed to successfully use its natural resources to combat abject poverty amongst its citizens, unlike Christian and so called "animist" DRC which allowed a single person to loot it for years.

 

[Pakacha]

Ama kweli dunia ina maajabu yake...wakati kuna tetesi kuwa kuna nchi zinajiandaa kutengeneza/zimetengeneza MAGARI YANAYOTUMIA GESI/ MAJI badala ya mafuta.....au MAGARI YA KUTUMIA UMEME.......(unalichaji kama simu)......
huku NISHATI YA JUA ikishika kasi..bado mwarabu kang'ang'ana na mafuta yake tu....!
hivi overnight ikitokea MITAMBO a.k.a magari yote kutumia solar energy itakuwa vipi?
example...magari ya kabreta na kuwa injection........si itakuwa balaa kwa wenzetu?

/Wewe unajidanganya. Hivi unaelewa gharama au usumbufu wa gari la kutumia umeme au hiyo solar energy. Usibabaike na majisifu ya ugunduzi-Ndiyo sayansi hiyo. Waliogundua tunawapongeza- lakini katika matumizi bado mafuta hayana upinzani.

 

[MaxShimba]

As true as the above is, one cannot help noticing that Africa has the same problem, albeit not deeply rooted in sharia.Africa's problem is rooted in the almost institutionalized lack of and non-commitment to the rule of law.

One can follow the same parallels and argue that the only major difference between Africa and oil rich Arabic countries following sharia is oil.

For the Arab's penchant for sharia we have our unflinching dedication to non-commitment to the rule of law.

We have our own brand of isolationism and complacency which rival the Arabs.

So while it may be true that a lot of these issues are cultural within the Arab world, we will be kidding ourselves in saying that Africa, even Christian Africa, does not face the same challenges.

Is there a common trait that predate Chriostianity and Islam here? Is Islam the product of this culture of complacency, rather than the cause?

How much is Christianity a cause for the non-complacency of Norwegians and how much is due to their industrious Viking heritage and rough conditions? After all, the Ugandans are mostly Christians but cannot be said - when we put all political correctness aside-to have the natural level of industriousness of the Norwegians when everything is put into the scales of proportions.

Are we dumbing down deeper causative issues when we look at Islam? Isn't Islam just a recent transplant into the Arab world?

One can say at least Islamic Saudi Arabia for example, has managed to successfully use its natural resources to combat abject poverty amongst its citizens, unlike Christian and so called "animist" DRC which allowed a single person to loot it for years.

You don't need to go very far inorder to discover that Islam is a main problem. Islams/Arabs/East has neglected and gone to slumber while West has realized its material and intellectual possibilities.

Arabs and Muslims have chosen to be weak in body and mind and lagged far behind the West that galloped towards modernity, inter-alia, some African Countries if not all.

Their backwardness is due to the inability to change with the time and see reason that has conflicting requirements with the religion and hang on to the dogmas and defacto sharia. Unless the fundamental approach is changed, backwardness in Arab and Muslim States would continue and grow and there is no escape..

Muslim States have to adopt democracy, modernity and scientific temperament keeping religion aside for spiritual pursuits, if they have to compete with West and survive to be precise.

 

[Bluray]

You don't need to go very far inorder to discover that Islam is a main problem. Islams/Arabs/East has neglected and gone to slumber while West has realized its material and intellectual possibilities.

Arabs and Muslims have chosen to be weak in body and mind and lagged far behind the West that galloped towards modernity, inter-alia, some African Countries if not all.

Their backwardness is due to the inability to change with the time and see reason that has conflicting requirements with the religion and hang on to the dogmas and defacto sharia. Unless the fundamental approach is changed, backwardness in Arab and Muslim States would continue and grow and there is no escape..

Muslim States have to adopt democracy, modernity and scientific temperament keeping religion aside for spiritual pursuits, if they have to compete with West and survive to be precise.

You did not address my question posed on the possibility that, Islam, far from being the cause, is a symptom of deeper cultural issues.That the reason that allowed a religion such as Islam to rise in these parts of the world could very well be the underlying reason for the complacency and relative mediocrity we see today.

You also did not address the comparison of failure due to culture and religion in Arabia with a paralell failure due to culture and disregard for the rule of law in Christian Africa.


You say this about Islamic countries

Their backwardness is due to the inability to change with the time and see reason that has conflicting requirements with the religion and hang on to the dogmas and defacto sharia

But did not rise to the challenge of showing resource rich non-Islamic countries such as DRC, with no sharia as a hindrance, that nevertheless failed.

You did not demonstrate beyond a degree of doubt that Islam and sharia are the cause of this malady, rather than themselves being a result of a deeper cancer in the culture of the Arabic people.

 

[Zakumi]

Ama kweli dunia ina maajabu yake...wakati kuna tetesi kuwa kuna nchi zinajiandaa kutengeneza/zimetengeneza MAGARI YANAYOTUMIA GESI/ MAJI badala ya mafuta.....au MAGARI YA KUTUMIA UMEME.......(unalichaji kama simu)......
huku NISHATI YA JUA ikishika kasi..bado mwarabu kang'ang'ana na mafuta yake tu....!
hivi overnight ikitokea MITAMBO a.k.a magari yote kutumia solar energy itakuwa vipi?
example...magari ya kabreta na kuwa injection........si itakuwa balaa kwa wenzetu?

Umesoma sayansi au unaropoka tu. Kuna mambo mengi yanayofanya mafuta kuwa market kwa miaka 100 inayokuja. Moja ni population ya dunia na kuongeza kwa idadi ya watumiaji. India na China pekea yake zinaweka equation ya mafuta kuwa bright.

Nishati ya jua ina limitations zake. Hivyo hakuna kitu cha overnight kama unavyofikiria.

 

[MaxShimba]

You did not address my question posed on the possibility that, Islam, far from being the cause, is a symptom of deeper cultural issues.That the reason that allowed a religion such as Islam to rise in these parts of the world could very well be the underlying reason for the complacency and relative mediocrity we see today.

You also did not address the comparison of failure due to culture and religion in Arabia with a paralell failure due to culture and disregard for the rule of law in Christian Africa.


You say this about Islamic countries



But did not rise to the challenge of showing resource rich non-Islamic countries such as DRC, with no sharia as a hindrance, that nevertheless failed.

You did not demonstrate beyond a degree of doubt that Islam and sharia are the cause of this malady, rather than themselves being a result of a deeper cancer in the culture of the Arabic people.

Just pick any Islamic country, lets say Sudan, what do you see in Sundan? Go to Somalia, is there any difference between the two, NO, there is none. The problem is the same, ISLAM. Nenda Italy, hakuna Sharia pale, je hawa ni sawa na Somalia? NO. Nenda Nordic Countries, hakuna upuuzi wa Sharia, je, hawa ni sawa na Wa-Iran wa "Middle Eastern"?

Nenda hivi sasa Nigeria, semo semo, Islam is the main cause there, Oil ipo pale, tena safi sana, but since Islams is a cause of trouble in the world, ndio maana Naira sasa ipo chini kuliko Shilingi ya Mungiki, na utapeli ulio pale hata allah akija hawezi kusaidia. Jump to Afganistan, wanaishi kwenye mashimo kama rats, halloe, what is it you can't/don't see.

Issue ya Kabila, ilisababishwa na Marehemu Seseseko wa Zabanga, sawa na Zimbabwe, tatizo ni Robert. Hizi nchi zina climate tofauti ya Kisiasa compared to Islamic Nations. Ukileta Tansania, ujamaa! But ukiangalia mikoa yote iliyo tawaliwa na Waaarabu, example Lindi, Kigoma, etc ect, yote ipo nyuma kifikra compared to states ambazo Westerners walikaa. So, it is still undisputable kuwa Islam is a cause of backwardness katika jamii.

 

[Bluray]

Just pick any Islamic country, lets say Sudan, what do you see in Sundan? Go to Somalia, is there any diffrence between the two, NO, there is none. The problem is the same, ISLAM. Nenda Italy, hakuna Sharia pale, je hawa ni sawa na Somalia? NO. Nenda Nordic Country, hakuna upuuzi wa Sharia, je, hawa ni swa na Iran wa Middle Eastern?

Nenda hivi sasa Nigeria, semo semo, Islam is the main cause there, Oil ipo pale, tena safi sana, but since Islams is a cause of trouble in the world, ndio maana Naira sasa ipo chini kuliko hele ya Munguki, na utapeli ulio pale hata allah akija hawezi kusaidia. Jump to Afganistan, wanaishi kwenye mashimo kama rats, halloe, what is it you can't/don't see.

Issue ya Kabila, ilisababishwa na Marehemu Seseseko wa Zabanga, sawa na Zimbabwe, tatizo ni Robert. Hizi nchi zina climate tofauti ya Kisiasa compered to Islamic Nations. Ukileta Tansania, ujamaa! But ukiangalia mikoa yote iliyo tawaliwa na Waaarabu, example Lindi, Kigoma, etc ect, yote ipo nyuma kifikra compared to states ambazo Westerners walikaa. So, it is still undisputable kuwa Islam is a cause of backwardness katika jamii.

Mbona unapick nchi za kiislam zenye matatizo una zi compare na nchi zisizo za kiisalam zisizo na matatizo?

Nimekutajia DRC hapo juu, nchi ambayo haina uislam, mbona nako kuna matatizo? Matatizo yao nao yanatokana na uislamu?

Ukipick DRC ukaicompare na Turkey au Indonesia bado utaona uislam kama tatizo?

 

[MaxShimba]

Mbona unapick nchi za kiislam zenye matatizo una zi compare na nchi zisizo za kiisalam zisizo na matatizo?

Nimekutajia DRC hapo juu, nchi ambayo haina uislam, mbona nako kuna matatizo? Matatizo yao nao yanatokana na uislamu?

Ukipick DRC ukaicompare na Turkey au Indonesia bado utaona uislam kama tatizo?

Issue ya Kabila, ilisababishwa na Marehemu Seseseko wa Zabanga, sawa na Zimbabwe, tatizo ni Robert. Hizi nchi zina climate tofauti ya Kisiasa compared to Islamic Nations. Ukileta Tansania, ujamaa! But ukiangalia mikoa yote iliyo tawaliwa na Waaarabu, example Lindi, Kigoma, etc ect, yote ipo nyuma kifikra compared to states ambazo Westerners walikaa. So, it is still undisputable kuwa Islam is a cause of backwardness katika jamii.

 

[Zakumi]

Issue ya Kabila, ilisababishwa na Marehemu Seseseko wa Zabanga, sawa na Zimbabwe, tatizo ni Robert. Hizi nchi zina climate tofauti ya Kisiasa compared to Islamic Nations. Ukileta Tansania, ujamaa! But ukiangalia mikoa yote iliyo tawaliwa na Waaarabu, example Lindi, Kigoma, etc ect, yote ipo nyuma kifikra compared to states ambazo Westerners walikaa. So, it is still undisputable kuwa Islam is a cause of backwardness katika jamii.

MaxShimba:

Inaonyesha una-compare sehemu alizokaa mwarabu na Mzungu. Wewe kama mwaAfrika kwanini hutoi comparisons za sehemu ambazo mgeni yoyote hajawahi kufika???

 

[MaxShimba]

MaxShimba:

Inaonyesha una-compare sehemu alizokaa mwarabu na Mzungu. Wewe kama mwaAfrika kwanini hutoi comparisons za sehemu ambazo mgeni yoyote hajawahi kufika???

Nchi pekee ni Ethiopia.

Your objections above shows wazi kuwa Nchi walizo kaa Waarabu zinamatatizo.

Muslims also allege that the West had purposely denied scientific know how to them, unaona mambo hayo. In the words of Dr Mohammed Kamal Ayyad, a teacher of philosophy at Higher Teachers College, Damascus and author of several studies on Arab Political and cultural problems, anadai kuwa The West was interested in keeping orient and especially Arab and Muslim world in a state of spiritual and outwardly matters so that they had neither energy nor interest left to learn from West. The western nations did not want technology, science, industry and organization to be learnt by Arabs and Muslims nations, Dr. anasema hayo. Haya ni madai ya huyu Dr. Ayyad. But, is it true that the west refused to expose their education to the Arabs? Au ni Sharia Laws causes that? According to Sharia laws, kuwa Westernized is against allah!! Dou you see where the problem starts?

 

[Zakumi]

Nchi pekee ni Ethiopia.

Your objections above shows wazi kuwa Nchi walizo kaa Waarabu zinamatatizo.

Muslims also allege that the West had purposely denied scientific know how to them, unaona mambo hayo. In the words of Dr Mohammed Kamal Ayyad, a teacher of philosophy at Higher Teachers College, Damascus and author of several studies on Arab Political and cultural problems, anadai kuwa The West was interested in keeping orient and especially Arab and Muslim world in a state of spiritual and outwardly matters so that they had neither energy nor interest left to learn from West. The western nations did not want technology, science, industry and organization to be learnt by Arabs and Muslims nations, Dr. anasema hayo. Haya ni madai ya huyu Dr. Ayyad. But, is it true that the west refused to expose their education to the Arabs? Au ni Sharia Laws causes that? According to Sharia laws, kuwa Westernized is against allah!! Dou you see where the problem starts?

Hao waEthiopia wenyewe wanajiona wako karibu na Mwarabu na sio wewe mbantu.

Westerners hawakutaka hata mwafrika ajifunze wakati anatawala. Hiyo mikoa ambayo ilikuwa chini hao westerners, haina skills zozote za kubadilisha mazingira yao. Walichofundisha ni longolongo tu.

Kwa mfano, graduate wa mwanzo wenye digrii za uhandisi kutoka katika vyuo vya Tanzania walihitimu miaka ya 70.

 

[MaxShimba]

Hao waEthiopia wenyewe wanajiona wako karibu na Mwarabu na sio wewe mbantu.

Westerners hawakutaka hata mwafrika ajifunze wakati anatawala. Hiyo mikoa ambayo ilikuwa chini hao westerners, haina skills zozote za kubadilisha mazingira yao. Walichofundisha ni longolongo tu.

Kwa mfano, graduate wa mwanzo wenye digrii za uhandisi kutoka katika vyuo vya Tanzania walihitimu miaka ya 70.

Give some references and/or exhibits ambazo zinasaidia statement yako. I don't believe what you said at all.

Let me tell you one thing, Shule Zote walizo soma our parents ni za Seminari za Kikristo na sio Islamic Seminary schools, kama Kinondoni Muslem inayo ongoza kwa kufelisha watu. Sijuwi kama bado ipo anyway.

Sasa, ni wapi umepata maneno uliyo sema kuwa Westernesrs hawakuacha skills zozote wakati ushaidi upo wazi?

 

[Bongolander]

[Ukiangalia kwa undani utakuta sehemu zote walizosettle waarabu bado ziko duni sana kimaendelea na kifikra.
Mwartabu aliposettle alifanya kazi kubwa tatu. Biashara ya vipusa, kuzaa na kueneza uislamu. Hakujenga shule (in western sense) hakujenga hospitali wala kuweka infrustructure ya uchumi.

Kila alipofika westerner iwe ni Mjerumani au mwingereza, hasa hapa kwetu Afrika mashariki, utaona kuwa mbali na kuwa walikuwa wezi wa maliasili zetu lakini walijenga kanisa, shule, hospitali na kuanzisha mashamba au viwanda au migodi.

Hali hii inajireflect hata leo kwenye jamii ya Tanzania. Ukiangalia kwenye regions nyingi za walikosettle waarabu ndio kuna watanzania wengi sana wenye fikra duni na wao duni zaidi kiuchumi. Hata mafundisho ya kidini waliyokuwa wanapewa yamewaidoctronate na kuwafanya sikuzote waone kama wanaonewa, wakubalkiane na uduni na kuona kuwa wabaguzi. Waarabu ni so useless.

Ukiangalia Kenya kwa mfano Angalia Nairobi walikosettle na kujenga waingereza ambako hata sasa majority ni wakristo kuko safi na better kuliko Mombasa walikosettle waarabu na kwenye influence kubwa ya waarabu.
Angalia Kampala so clea mpaka unashangaa, ukiangalia Dar es salaam, it is more or less the same as big village na sio city kama Nairobi. Background ya hali hii inaeleweka.

 

[Mauza uza]

Hao waEthiopia wenyewe wanajiona wako karibu na Mwarabu na sio wewe mbantu.

Westerners hawakutaka hata mwafrika ajifunze wakati anatawala. Hiyo mikoa ambayo ilikuwa chini hao westerners, haina skills zozote za kubadilisha mazingira yao. Walichofundisha ni longolongo tu.

Kwa mfano, graduate wa mwanzo wenye digrii za uhandisi kutoka katika vyuo vya Tanzania walihitimu miaka ya 70.

waethiopia???wanajiona wako karibu na waarabu????sio kweli lete source plzzz.waethiopia wanajiona ni wa jews na ndio maana ni kiboko ya wasomali.msomali kwa muethiopia ni sawa na mbwa kwa chatu.

 

[Zakumi]

Give some references and/or exhibits ambazo zinasaidia statement yako. I don't believe what you said at all.

Let me tell you one thing, Shule Zote walizo soma our parents ni za Seminari za Kikristo na sio Islamic Seminary schools, kama Kinondoni Muslem inayo ongoza kwa kufelisha watu. Sijuwi kama bado ipo anyway.

Sasa, ni wapi umepata maneno uliyo sema kuwa Westernesrs hawakuacha skills zozote wakati ushaidi upo wazi?

Naona wewe upo kwenye mabishano ya ukiristo na uislamu, kitu ambacho ni cha feeble minds.

 

[Zakumi]

waethiopia???wanajiona wako karibu na waarabu????sio kweli lete source plzzz.waethiopia wanajiona ni wa jews na ndio maana ni kiboko ya wasomali.msomali kwa muethiopia ni sawa na mbwa kwa chatu.

Naona wewe upo kwenye mabishano ya ukiristo na uislamu, kitu ambacho ni cha feeble minds.

 

[MaxShimba]

Naona wewe upo kwenye mabishano ya ukiristo na uislamu, kitu ambacho ni cha feeble minds.

It seems you didn't read my prior posts.

 

[Tumain]

Ni lini mtanzania ataweza kujitambua kama mtanzania na kumuacha muarabu kuwa mwarabu????

Je, ni kweli kwamba ukiwa mwisilam unakuwa umeshakuwa mwarabu? Basi tuna warabu wengi tusiowhitaji tz

Tuna wamerakani wengi humu hatuwahitaji lol.