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Anti-Obama Tax Payers Tea Parties.

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    jmushi1 JF-Expert Member

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    Nimeonelea nianzishe thread hii kwani ni muhimu...Kumekuwa na vuguvugu linaloendelea hapa USA kutoka kwa matajiri wenye kisasi na Obama ana ambao wameiteka theme nzima ya Boston Tea parties ambazo zilikuwa legit kutokana na mambo serikali iliyokuwa ikiyafanya kipindi hicho,historia ya tea bag parties ilikuwa ni ya ma colonist ambapo walikuwa wakidai kuwa seriali haina popular representation....Na manazi hao wanalink issue hiyo na whats going on na hata ku diriki kusema kuwa kwasababu Obama alinyimwa kura na watu milioni 58 na kupewa kura na watu milioni a little more than 60,then wana justify kuwa uongozi wake siyo popular, na pia kwamba wanakuwa taxed bila mpango,na wakati ukweli ni kwamba hata hizo tea party pia zilikuwa miaka ya nyuma pale ambapo matajiri walilipa kodi pale tu wanapojisikia kufanya hivyo ilhali masikini ilikuwa ni lazima alipe kodi... The question remains....

    What, exactly, are the protesters protesting? The marginal tax rate rising 3% for millionaires? Down here is Marc Coopers article

    By Marc Cooper
    April 15, 2009
    The Web is buzzing with information about how to throw an anti-Obama Taxpayer Tea Party, something organizers hope will be held today from Santa Monica to South Carolina. But no need to burn up your bandwidth reading complicated instructions. Here's a simpler recipe:

    Go to a hobby store. Buy a scale model of a U.N. One-World-Government Black Helicopter and a tube of glue. Toss the model kit. Sniff the entire tube of glue. You're all set for the party.

    I can recall only a few outbreaks of such collective insanity as these tea parties in recent years. There was that time in the mid-1990s when a $19.95 video proving Bill Clinton was some sort of serial killer went viral. And then, a few years back, there was that chilling, televised midnight seance from the floor of the U.S. Congress aimed at reviving the long-brain-dead Terri Schiavo.

    And now this. Whip out your Lipton and don your tinfoil hat and join the protest against ... against ... against what exactly?
    The original Boston Tea Party was caffeinated by a very simple injustice: American Colonists refused to be taxed by a government that lacked any popular representation. That was remedied a few years later in a heroic struggle that stretched from Concord to Yorktown.

    So, if you'll excuse the mixed metaphor, what's the beef behind today's protests? The Obama administration is cutting taxes for all except the very richest of Americans. Reduced withholding is already showing up in millions of paychecks.

    Then again, this rash of tea parties is being organized not only by the pseudo-journalists at Fox News (with Glenn Beck, Neil Cavuto and Sean Hannity actively stoking the flames) but also by FreedomWorks, a conservative lobbying outfit headed by former House Majority Leader Dick Armey. I suppose it was Armey's constitutional if morally dubious privilege to have built an entire political career out of defending the wealthy.

    But are common folks actually going to dump Earl Grey into Santa Monica Bay because they are outraged, simply infuriated, by the marginal tax rate rising 3% for millionaires?

    Or maybe they'll do it for some other reason. The FreedomWorks site says the Tea Party movement began in reaction to President Obama's corporate bailouts and ensuing yawning budget deficits. These same conservatives, however, were mum when George W. Bush erased our budget surplus and put us deep in the red by drunken spending on a pointless war in Iraq and by, yes, granting massive tax rollbacks for the loaded country clubbers who fund the GOP (and Armey's FreedomWorks). Another bothersome detail: The bailouts were also initiated by Bush.

    Nobody I know is very pleased with the billions ladled out to teetering banks and corporations. Yet a clear majority of Americans are sophisticated enough to know that these bailouts are a necessary evil and are intended -- unlike the lollipop Bush tax cuts -- not for personal profit but rather as a radical, emergency measure to help Americans keep their jobs, their homes and their retirement.

    And while way too many otherwise sane Republicans are actively pandering to the tea-bag battalions, some old-fashioned conservatives are calling out the Teabaggers for their silliness. Writing in Fortune magazine, conservative policy analyst Bruce Bartlett, who has a long anti-tax history, says: "The irony of these protests is that federal revenues as a share of the gross domestic product will be lower this year than any year since 1950. ... The truth is that the U.S. is a relatively low-tax country no matter how you slice the data."

    The Tea Party movement, more than anything else, is a rather garish display of a Republican right that seems to have lost not only the national elections but also any semblance of political bearings. Staying on this course, the GOP risks -- in the words of one pundit -- becoming "the Talk Radio Republican Party."

    Better put that kettle on, Marge. It's going to be a long and bizarre four years.

    Marc Cooper is director of Annenberg Digital News at the Annenberg School for Communication at USC.
     
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    The Truth JF-Expert Member

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    This is a cheap attack by the author of this article. Many sensible, reasonable people exercising their democracy will be attending these tea parties. Can you imagine the outcry if someone made such a generalization about any liberal protest or minority protest?

    This is nonsense. Tax on the rich is tax on everyone. Any high tax you put on a large corporation or business or even rich individual eventually gets passed down to consumers or the average citizen. It's basic economics. The 95% of people will be paying higher prices in gas, goods, etc as a result. There is no escaping this. Also it is not all about taxes, you have all the debt being accumulated by the B. Hussein's massive spending. Worthless money being printed and that will raise inflation.

    Not if you count all the nationalized banks, and auto companies. The huge chunk of GDP will take into account their revenues. Another nonsensical claim from this article.

    The tea parties are democratic grass root movement at work. If you come from a totalitarian country such as Tanzania such movements may seem strange but you can learn a thing or two from these tea parties protesters. They are exercising democracy. Something not tolerated or allowed in many countries around the world.
     
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    mmmmm!!!!! hayo mambo si mzao wangu nitachelewa mavuvini au hapa watafunga nami sijaelewa.
     
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    This is a non-partisan grassroots movement against government spending called Taxed Enough Already, or TEA. Katika hali hii ya sasa nani anataka kuongezewa tax?
     
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    Ina maana 2% ya watu watakaoongezewa tax ndiyo wanaandamana au wanawamanipulate watu kumpinga first black president?. Obama said clearly that more than 95% will see tax cut so why Protesting?

    Hizi TEA parties zina hiden agenda, racism, these morons are not happy to see black people living in WH, riding Air force one etc and nothing else. The present tax rates are those paid for the past, last 8 years, if the issue is spending why didn't they protested for the spending of $900b used to kill iraqis during Bush Admin?

    DHS has issued a report of concern about these right wing extremist to recruit vets (Remeber Timoth McVeigh?) and use of violence (domestic terrorism) just because of the election of Obama (First black president). There is no justification what so ever for these racist Republicans right wing extremists who listen to Rush and Fix news.

    Believe me this is the real picture behind these gatherings, tax is just a slogan but all of them are racists.
     
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    solution JF-Expert Member

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    a lot of people dont see what is happening! people dont want to hear the truth, those people who matched to the streets they care about the well fare of their families. who wants his servings to be spent unwisely by Govt? what Obama administration is doing is spend , spend, and spend!
    I can see the similarity with what is happening here at home! those DECI members believe DECI is like Messiah! they can't see the realiy of pyramid sceme not yet! even the supporters of govt spending in US dont see the reality of what is happening in their country! they see illution istead of reality, when reality is presented, they cry RACISM!
     
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    Fella,slow down...Sounds like you've got this stuff wrong or may be you just don't get it...What G.W did was even worst in terms of spending,just like how Hoffstede explained to you guys in aprevious post, in unjustified wars for oil.."Blood for oil" in regard to massive spending in killing innocent people in quite unnecessary conflict such as Iraqi, whats scares me the most is that the right wing nuts don't acknowledge that the man is trying to do whats right for the country..Besides what "tea-bagging" really means these right-wingnuts are simply anti-Obama for whatever their reasons.

    They simply do not like the man and prefer to hate him. I don"t think anyone earning over $250k was at no tea-bag-party: financing yes but participating, no. You should have listened to the president, people making less than $250k are not going to see any tax increase,those people is well over 90% of the citizens.

    Conservatives need to get a message instead of associating and identifying with extremist right-wingers.

    Tea-bagging is not a good ideal and it"s a fake grassroots effort for the GOP. Hate is not an ingredient for the road to power. At least, not in these United States.

    Have you seen FOX news,did you watch it last night? Sean Hannity, Glen Beck et al? I think they should be held accountable because they"re not even entertaining anymore. Adults acting this way are a danger to the youth. Just seeing those children at these rallies, tea-parties or whatever you like to call it, carrying protest signs already ashamed of their country is really a step too far.

    The anti-Obama agenda is not working and embarrassing the country. Of course the country needs Republican but not just any old Republican will do,
    Can you believe that the word "secede" has been mentioned twice in less than 12 months? First Alaska and now Texas. Just pure madness....And do you really know the meaning of the word "Secede?" Go figure out and see how is it related to tea parties!

    I had no idea that an African American becoming Prez of the US would have so many people lose their minds. The hate for Barack Obama is driving these people crazy.

    Texas has an idiotic governor threatening to have Texas Secede from the US because he supposedly hate the govt. spending and control over the country. But he thought the Patriot Act was an awesome idea and who supported GW Bush spending.

    I hope Department of Homeland Security up its game and up the Prez and his family security....Seriously!

    Notice that the Fox coverage avoided letting people talk for themselves, for fear of the showing the same level of ignorance among the participants evidenced on CNN's coverage.

    Fox stuck with Hannity and company to interpret what the people were saying and amplifying it.
    The truth is these angry people, overwhelmingly white and apparently not very well educated, feel powerless as the country moves on to a multicultural model that does not automatically give them an advantage.

    Just beneath the surface you can sense the impotent rage at being left behind in the guise of talking about their kids' future...after all where was the rage when Bush was running up the deficits over the past eight years for a feckless war?
    Sad, basically stupid people they are...
     
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    Taxes have to be there....they just have to be moderated such that the average American ends up not bearing the bulk of it. If there was no Tax where would the stimulus money come from?
    The TEA parties were completely legitimate because they were not for eradication of Taxes....but they wanted to send a message to the government to "stop spending too much"....and moderate the taxes.
    Ndio maana Tanzania masikini kwasababu kodi haikusanywi ipasavyo.
     
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    Rodelite, right wing nuts wameigeuza platform ya tea parties na kuifanya hate parties,sijui hamfuatilii hizi news ama hamjawaona na kuwasikia baadhi ya hao protesters..Wamekuwa more motivated with hate na si cause ambayo ilianza miaka 200 iliyopita.
     
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    jmushi1 JF-Expert Member

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    Brutus,rejea maelezo kuwa tax imeonegezeka kwa wale wenye kumake more than $250k,wenye kumake less ndio asilimia kubwa ya wamarekani,elewa kwamba movement hiyo imetekwa na haters.
     
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    Mkuu...You're right on the money....Fox news wamegeuza maana ya hii TEA party na kuifanya "Anti-Obama...No Taxation movement" na hiyo siyo maana yake.
    Infact the main organizer of this whole movement made it very clear yesterday that this was not a protest for Tax but more or less "large Govt spending" which in turn impacts tax payers. He also complained about FOX news for having diverted the whole meaning of the TEA party.
     
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    jmushi1 JF-Expert Member

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    Haters walitafutia mahali pa kutokea na bado wataendelea kufanya hivyo,wanadai eti ni movement itakayopeleka revolution...Sasa naweza kuona ni kwanini kuna yule mh alitabiri kuwa USA inaweza kugawanyika...Mkuu,this is just the beggining,the way i see it kuna wamarekani ambao hawajui whats going on other than hate politics,this time a bro in the highest office,doesn't set well in the minds of many nuts.
     
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    Brother jmushi, tax sio federal tax tu inayokatwa kwenye paycheck!
    Tax code ya mheshimiwa Obama haijatulia, sells tax, capital gain tax, death tax etc zinapanda. Just imagine 1900% Beer Tax Increase in oregon alone, achilia mbali cigarete tax. Kwa hali ya uchumi wa sasa, hii haijatulia!

    Huu mpango wa ku-spend spend spend and print the money una-sound kama Zimbabwe. Let's be fair hapa, hizi bailouts zinawanufaisha nani?
    Hao 95% anaowazungumzia Pres Obama hawanufaiki hapa, so watu wakiandamana don't call them haters wala teabaggers!
    Walipoandamana kupinga vita waliitwa good citizens, wakiandamana kupinga Big Govt, Big spending and tax hikes wanaitwa teabaggers.. come on guys!
     
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    Tatizo la hawa haters wengi wana uelewa finyu wa tax kama huu nilioonesha hapo kwenye bold. Wanasikiliza kina Rush, Hannity ambao ni real haters, kwa nini wanapinga kitu ambacho Obama ndiyo kwanza ameagiza timu kudraft the code? Huu ni wendawazimu wa kibaguzi wa rangi. Obama anarudisha rates zilizo kuwa wakati wa Bill Clinton, sasa mbona kipindi kile hizi TEA parties, right wing rethugs extremists, hatred gatherings hazikufanyika?. Anything proposed by Obama for them is a problem and they've said that they don't want him to succeed why?, because black people will be proud of him, and there's a possibility for him to have 8 years which they cant afford to be under black presidence
     
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    Kwa nini mtu anayetofautiana ideas na liberals anaitwa hater?
     
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    House Democrat Leaders: Tea Partiers Are Racist, Nazi, Gun Nuts


    If the Obama administration has taken flak for suggesting that conservative groups might be home to domestic terrorists, it looks like some House Democrat leaders are willing to go even further:
    But in an interview on Fox TV in San Francisco, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) chalked up the GOP grass-roots effort as "AstroTurf."

    "This initiative is funded by the high end; we call it AstroTurf, it's not really a grass-roots movement. It's AstroTurf by some of the wealthiest people in America to keep the focus on tax cuts for the rich instead of for the great middle class," Pelosi said.
    Other House Democratic leaders took a different tack: One senior aide has been circulating a document to the media that debunks the effort as one driven by corporate lobbyists and attended by neo-Nazis...

    In addition, the tea parties are "not really all about average citizens," the document continues, saying neo-Nazis, militias, secessionists and racists are attending them. The tea parties are also not peaceful, since reporters in Cincinnati had to seek "police protection" during one of the events, it states.
    The suggestions that these tea parties are driven by DC-based groups is laughable; Liz Mair takes a critical look and concludes the charge is baseless. Besides the points that Mair makes, it's worth noting that while there have been dozens of tea parties, few have featured conservative candidates or representatives of DC think tanks and lobbying groups.

    As far as the charge that these rallies are composed of Nazis and terrorists, that's hard to reconcile with the pictures of participants. There are too many young children and grandparents. Further, even a strong Obama supporter like Susan Roesgen didn't turn up any violent types at the Chicago Tea Party, despite her best attempt to provoke a strong reaction.

    There probably aren't many Democrats who genuinely believe the charges levied by their leadership. Nate Silver guesstimates that about 250,000 people have attended the tea parties - so far. Do Ms. Pelosi and other Democrat leaders think they're all neo-nazis?
    If this is a conversation they want to have, however, perhaps Ms. Pelosi can explain the role of Marxists and North Korean sympathizers in the U.S. anti-war movement, or discuss how George Soros bought such influence in the Democratic party. It's not a debate that would help Democrats, since it's relatively easy to show the role of fringe extremists in the Democratic grassroots.

    'Senior Democrats' ought to have the courage to publicly assert what they're whispering to the media. But if they're afraid to admit that they're slandering hundreds of thousands of grassroots organizers and activists, is it too much to hope that some reporter will share a copy of these secret talking points?

    Source;www.communistcountdown.com
     
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    jmushi1 JF-Expert Member

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    Brutus,wanachozungumza hao maprotesters ni tofauti sana na unachozungumza hapa kwenye forum,na pia jaribu kufuatilia news. Ukweli ni kwamba right extremist wanaitumia opportunity ya wale haters na kuwa manipulate,wengi wao ni red necks,na sasa wamepata nafasi hiyo ya kuimba wimbo ambao ni kawaida kwa repubs kuimba kuhusu democrats...Kwamba ni big government hence more spending,kilio hicho kimezidi zaidi kwasababu ya matatizo ya kiuchumi ambayo hayakusababishwa na Obama....Narudia mkuu,fuatilia....Kodi zimerudishwa the same rate zilivyokuwa wakati wa Clinton,lakini ulishakia kelele kuhusu hilo zaidi ya kumwinda na hadi karibia kumwangusha kuhusiana na Monica Lewinski? uCHUMI UPO HAPA ULIPO KUTOKANA NA IDEAS HIZO HIZO ZA MTAJIRI WALIKO NYUMA YA TEA PARTIES..Na kwajinsi inavyoonekana,watu wa Bush na wao walishajipanga kivyao na sasa matokeo tunaanza kuyaona..Sasa matatizo ya Bush yote wanamwangushia yeye responsibility,hilo Obama alishaweka wazi kuwa haogopi,lakini cha msingi ni mpango wake wa kufufua uchumi upewe nafasi na ushirikiano,tatizo ambalo bado lipo ni la kisiasa na mchezo umeanza....Mkuu tusubiri tuone kwani ni wazi haya mambo hayataisha soon.

    Kwani leo hii tena zile memos za CIA zimetolewa,zile zenye kuonyesha kuhusu torture,lakini baadhi zimekuwa scanned for security reaosons,however,Obama anasema hataki washitakiwe kwasababu wao walikuwa wakitekeleza maelekezo ambayo yalikuwa halali mara baada ya kuwekewa sheria na serikali ya Bush.
    Tusubiri tuone.
     
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    You are missing the big picture bro! Fox news wanaweza kuwa wamedandia the whole theme of TEA Parties, but the movement is way far from republicans or democratic point of views. Bailouts and big government vimeanza term ya pili ya G W Bush, na the current president ame-take over na ku-push stimulus bill. Matokeo yake leo unakuta most of State and local governments ziko broke, na njia pekee ya ku-cover costs ni kupandisha kodi. Hii ndio issue inayowakera wengi. Check out California, Oregon, Delaware, Michigan and Wisconsin jinsi sales taxes zinavyopanda ghafla?

    Hapa haijalishi anaongea Rush, Sean Hannity or Chris Matthews. it is a matter of common sense. Hawa watu walioandamana jana hawako kwenye database yoyote kama ACCORN or anything like that, and it is unlikely anyone from either party anaweza kuwakusanya tena kwa idadi ile kwenye almost states zote za Union!
     
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    There was outrage, very big one when Bush bailed out the banks. The liberal media forgets that. People realize America is broke and here comes B. Hussein in less than 4 months has spent more money than all presidents from George Washington to G. W. Bush combined. You can't expect Americans to take that lying down.
     
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    Je George Bush alikuwa na kura ngapi wakati wa Al gore "wataalamu wanasema Common sense is not common in "marekani".
     
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