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    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

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    Intelligence sources are giving every indication that Uganda and Kenya might start war before the Kenya's 2012 election!

    Both countries have been in serious preparation by acquiring most sophisticated weapons in the name of intimidating each others! Here is what Uganda Army has acquired of recent

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    Of late there have been serious verbal provocations going on in the media

    Migingo: Uganda tells its officers to stay put


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    Migingo Island (R) on Lake Victoria that Uganda and Kenya claim ownership.


    By ELISHA OTIENO elisha_otieno@yahoo.com

    Posted Saturday, June 4 2011 at 19:31

    A high-powered government team from Uganda visited the disputed Migingo and Ugingo islands in Lake Victoria, barely four days after President Kibaki declared that the islets belonged to Kenya.

    The team, led by the Deputy Police Commissioner, Mr Christopher Abache, arrived at the islands by boat from the Bugiri mainland beach in Uganda.They quickly went into a meeting with Ugandan officers guarding the islands before interacting with the Kenyan fishermen and traders "to hear their frustrations".

    Sources at the meeting said the senior officer asked the Ugandan security forces to stay put unless they received "another order from Kampala".
    Mr Abache was accompanied by nine other police and intelligence officers from Kampala.

    The Kenyan fishermen and traders had earlier asked President Kibaki to "follow his words by action" by immediately reclaiming the disputed Migingo and Ugingo islands from the Ugandan authorities.

    During the Madaraka Day celebrations, President Kibaki stated that the disputed islands belonged to Kenya, and announced that the country was committed to providing security for all.

    http://www.nation.co.ke/News/regiona...l/-/index.html

    Kibaki: Islands belong to Kenya

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    President Kibaki acknowledges greetings from Kenyans on arrival for the 48th Madaraka Day celebrations at Nyayo National Stadium, Nairobi June 1, 2011. He said the Migingo, Ugingo islands lie squarely on Kenyan territory. PPS

    By WALTER MENYA, wmenya@ke.nationmedia.com
    Posted Wednesday, June 1 2011 at 13:15

    President Kibaki has stated that the disputed islands of Migingo and Ugingo belong to Kenya, and announced that the country was committed to providing security for all.

    The President, who has often maintained a studious silence over the row with Uganda over the islands said Kenya would opt for diplomacy rather than use of force to resolve disputes with its neighbours.

    "I would like to reiterate the Government¹s unrelenting commitment to the provision of security for all. Measures have been taken to contain all forms of crime across the country. We have intensified patrols along our borders," the President said during celebrations to mark Madaraka Day at the Nyayo Stadium, Nairobi Wednesday.

    "I also wish to reassure all Kenyans that the Islands of Migingo and Ugingo lie squarely on Kenyan territory in Lake Victoria. There should, therefore, be no cause for alarm on this issue."

    Uganda claims Migingo and Ugingo islands are in their territory and have stationed marine police in the both locations on Lake Victoria. Kenyans living in the island have often complained of harassment by Ugandan authorities to whom they pay taxes to be allowed to fish.

    The rocky patches in Lake Victoria nearly brought Kenya and Uganda to war. Migingo's wealth lies in its proximity to some of the richest remaining deep-water fishing in Lake Victoria.

    President Kibaki's assurance to the country over security also comes in the wake of the killing of 40 Kenyans by Merille militia who crossed over from Ethiopia early May this year.The killings raised tension and criticism of the military mounted when Prime Minister Raila Odinga blamed the defence forces for failing to secure the country's borders.Since the killings, President Kibaki and Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi have met twice, the most recent being on the sidelines of the Second India-Africa Forum, which was held in Addis Ababa from May 20 to 25.

    The two regional leaders also held discussions in Kampala during the inauguration of President Yoweri Museveni. In addition, the threat of Somali terrorist group al Shabaab continues to worry authorities in Nairobi.

    Despite the tough talk, the president emphasised the need for dialogue with neighbours to resolve conflicts.

    "We should always remember that Kenya is the biggest promoter of regional integration. Let us always aspire to live harmoniously with our neighbours.

    "A peaceful region holds much promise for our people who have the great potential to do business and get jobs across our borders," he said in his call for diplomatic efforts to end conflicts with neighbouring states.

    http://www.nation.co.ke/News/politic.../-/index.html]

    Uganda sends top police officers to Migingo

    By Andrew Bagala

    The government has sent a contigent of police officers led by the commandants of Mobile Police Patrol Unit (MPPU) and Professional Standards Unit (PSU) to Migingo and Ugingo islands to assess the security situation in the area as tensions between Uganda and Kenya over the ownership of the islands deepens.

    The MPPU Commissioner, Mr Geoffrey Obache, and the PSU Senior Superintendent of Police, Mr Samuel Ekoliot, toured the contested islands and also interacted with their officers on the ground, which has been viewed by the Kenyan government as amassing troops in the area.

    Migingo and Ugingo islands are located on Lake Victoria on the border of the three East African countries. Kenya and Uganda are claiming ownership of the islands.

    Supervisorial role

    The police spokesperson, Ms Judith Nabakooba, said the officers had gone to the islands on a normal supervision role. "The officers visited the islands over the weekend to see if there are any Ugandan forces deployed at Ugingo island as it is alleged in the Kenyan media, but they didn't find any of our forces there," Ms Nabakooba said yesterday.

    This is the second time top police commanders have been sent to the area since the two countries started fighting for the island two years ago.
    During Madaraka Day celebrations, President Mwai Kibaki said both islands lie on Kenyan territory and any disagreement would be solved through diplomatic means.

    Early in 2009, Kenya police officers stormed Migingo Island to take over control but were blocked by the Ugandan authorities. The two countries agreed on carrying out a survey to establish where the islands lie but the process failed after they disagreed on the method used to survey the island.

    Asked whether more officers have been deployed on the islands, Ms Nabakooba said they haven't sent them but didn't rule it out if need arose.

    http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/-/688334/1177630/-/view/printVersion/-/a5vr20/-/index.html


    Kenya and Uganda renew row over Migingo Islands


    By Andrew Bagala

    Kenyan officials have accused Uganda of establishing structures and a police unit on their Island-Ugingo, near the disputed Migingo Island on Lake Victoria.

    The development is likely to escalate an on-going diplomatic row between Uganda and Kenya over the disputed border line. The Kenyan delegation that visited the area last week claimed that there is heavy presence of Uganda Police Marine Patrol Unit on both islands and demanded their withdrawal.

    However, police spokesperson Judith Nabakooba yesterday said the police are not aware of any deployment on Ugingo Island. "We only have officers at Migingo Island to keep law and order in that area as part the resolution between the two countries," Ms Nabakooba said.

    Uganda and Kenya have been in dispute over Migingo Island since 2004. Last year, both countries established a team of surveyors to establish the ownership of Migingo Island.

    Last week, Kenya's Lands Minister James Orengo accused Ugandan government of massively moving people on the dispute islands to justify its territorial claims.

    Another Kenyan delegation led by Nyanza Provincial Commissioner, Mr Francis Mutie, was quoted by Daily Nation on Thursday demanding an immediate withdrawal of Uganda security officials from the islands.

    "There is no need for the Ugandan marine police to continue occupying the islands when the ownership is still disputed," Mr Mutie said.
    "Ugandans have been occupying Migingo Island since 2004 and this is wrong going by the available international boundary records that indicate Migingo as a Kenyan island."

    Mr Mutie said Ugandans had constructed temporary structures on Ugingo Island. "Ugingo is in Kenya and has not been a subject of dispute. We will only hold discussions over the Migingo ownership," he said.

    http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/-/688334/1167646/-/view/printVersion/-/1021qur/-/index.html


    Have Kenya got teeth to chew the supremacy Uganda is fast attaining with oil money? What is the possibility of a war to break out in the region? will it be the end of EAC after so much devotion towards federation?

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    [h=1]Karangi is military chief in shake-up of top brass[/h]
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    By FRED MUKINDA fmukinda@ke.nationmedia.com
    Posted Wednesday, July 13 2011 at 22:30

    General Julius Waweru Karangi was on Wednesday named Chief of the Kenya Defence Forces, effectively placing him in charge of the generals who will be in charge during the transition from the Kibaki presidency next year.
    All the services - army, navy and air force - have new commanders in what appears to be a complete change of guard at the top.
    Gen Karangi replaces Gen Jeremiah Kianga who has served for six years as Kenya's top military general but who will now start the handing over process before retiring at the end of August to become chairman of Kenya Railways.
    His new deputy is Samson Mwathethe and has risen to the rose rank of Lieutenant-General. Lt Gen Mwathethe's title is Vice Chief of the Kenya Defence Forces.
    The Kenya Army is now commanded by Lt General Joseph Kasaon, previously the commandant of the National Defence College (NDC).
    He has swapped places with former Army commander Lt General Njuki Mwaniki, who loses command after being at the helm for less than a year.
    Maj Gen Joff Otieno is the Air Force commander, moving from the Defence Staff College (DSC) where he was commandant.
    New Navy commander is Maj Gen Ngewa Mukala, who rose from the rank of Brigadier and had been second in command at the navy.
    Tonje rules
    At 58 and if the "Tonje rules" are strictly followed by the next president, Gen Karangi will serve until 2015.
    The rules which were introduced by former Chief Of General Staff Daudi Tonje (the position has since been renamed Chief of the Kenya Defence Forces in accordance with the new constitution) require the top military officer to serve a maximum four-year term or retire at the age of 62, whichever comes first.
    Had he missed out on this promotion, General Karangi would have had to retire at 58 because of the provision that officers of the rank of Lt-Gen retire at 58 or after serving for four years whichever comes first.
    But President Kibaki temporarily set aside the "Tonje Rules" and allowed both Gen Kianga and Gen Karangi to serve beyond their stipulated time.
    It is the first time a career Air Force officer has been named to head Kenya's military. After the 1982 coup attempt, Gen Mahmoud Mohammed from the Kenya Army was posted to command the Kenya Air Force. He was later promoted to Chief of General Staff.
    The Kenya Air Force lost prestige in 1982 when airmen and junior officers attempted to overthrow the government of retired President Moi.
    The coup was crushed by the Kenya Army and the General Service Unit, an elite formation within the Kenya Police.
    Wednesday's military changes were arrived at during a meeting of the National Defence Council which recommended the appointments to the President.
    Gen Karangi, who has been Gen Kianga's deputy, will take office on September 1, a day after his predecessor's term ends.
    The defence council was chaired by minister Yusuf Haji and attended by permanent secretary Nancy Kirui.
    Appointments are provided for by Section five of the Armed Forces Act which reads: "The President may appoint officers to be Chief of General Staff and commanders of each service of the armed forces."
    The Constitution is silent on the appointment of Force commanders as well as chief of Defence Forces, but section 241 reads in part:
    "The composition of the command of the Defence Forces shall reflect the regional and ethnic diversity of the people of Kenya."
    In other changes, Maj Gen Harold Tangai, who has been the Air Force commander moved to the National Defence College as a senior director.
    Maj Gen J Waweru was moved from the NDC and appointed commandant of the DSC. Both colleges are located in Karen, Nairobi.
    Was promoted
    Maj Gen P Kameru, the director of Intelligence at military headquarters, was promoted from the rank of Brigadier. Brigadier J Waweru was appointed deputy Navy commander.
    Service rules stipulate that Major Generals and Lieutenant Generals must retire at the age 56 and 58 years respectively.
    However, the holders of those ranks can leave office younger if they are appointed as Service or Force commanders.
    This is so because the rules say they have to leave office either after serving four years or attaining the age limit, whichever comes first.
    There are three service commanders, each for the navy, army and air force. The army boss is always a rank higher than the other two commanders. Other officers of equal rank might head other military units, such as the military colleges.
    The President, as the commander-in-chief can extend the mandate of commanders, as President Kibaki did with Gen Kianga.
    Lt Gen Mwathethe joined the Navy in April 1978 and inducted as a seaman the following year after graduating at the Britannia Royal Naval College, Dartmouth.
    He had served as deputy Navy Commander, Kenya Navy Logistics Commander and Base Commander at Mtongwe, among others.
    http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Gen+Karangi+appointed+Chief+of+Defence+Forces/-/1056/1200532/-/view/printVersion/-/2x26w8z/-/index.html

    NB: I am here to discuss facts and not accusations, so pls abstain from provocations
     
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    Whaat? this is becoming serious...
     
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    Hapana Mungu atawaepusha na mzozo huo, we pray and believe so kwa sababu likitokea hilo ujue na sisi pia ahtuko salama na ka =rada ketu feki kale kanakoona vibaka tu
     
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    Man the threat is real the day Kenya's Army step their feet in either Migingo or Ugingo, the war breaks out! mark my words! BTW you remember of Ukrainian tanks that disappeared somewhere in Kenya? I just can't tell how will Kenya manage to face an army that has been active all along!
     
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    kwa jinsi hali ilivyo hapa nchini kwetu ngoja tuone wenzetu wanavyo jidhatiti-sisi tubakie kuingiza jeshi kwenye politics
     
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    Wacha wapigane tu, sisi ndio tumepata serikali ya mafisadi wala hawajui whats cooking?
     
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    Wakipigana hawa hata huku kwetu ni lazima tutapata madhara pia, yawe ya kiuchumi n.k
     
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    Hawa nao wanataka kuanza vita! Tujiandae kupokea wakimbizi
     
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    Wakenya waoga sana, hawawezi kuanzisha vita. Hata Smatta na jamaa zake akina Nomasana na MkenyaMzalendo hii wanaijua vizuri!
     
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    Oh my God,i hope n pray this nt to hapen,
     
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    Kenya defense forces are real professionals in the game and not a gorilla or bush army from somewhere. Keep in mind we can't fight Ugandans coz the bond btwn the two countries and it's people is too strong to be broken coz of a rock. The social, economic and political ties
     
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    There's no way kenya can fight Uganda. They are our real brothers and sisters in the EAC.If they decide to fight then Kenya will loose its largest trading partner after UK,and Ug's economy may collapse coz we have it in our hands. Uganda is our second home, we may disagree but fighting! We have one of the best trained and professional army/airforce and navy in africa i don't think so,we are not cowards remember Kenyan Parliament authorized the president to take military action against uganda over migingo but our social economic ties can't allow us to fight. Kibaki and museveni are real beneficiaries of migingo,they are business partners in fish exporting
     
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    Haya ni maneno ya mtu mwoga. Eti "nishikeni shati kabla sijamharibu vibaya jamaa". How can you claim that 'Kenya defense forces are real professionals' when they have never fought a major war? Nyie Wakenya mkiwachezea Waganda watawabamizeni hadi mtajuta kuzaliwa!
     
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    We have never fought any major war coz we have never had any war to fight
     
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    Mkuu, ina maana mazoezi yote haya yanayofanywa na jeshi letu wewe huyaoni? Watu wangapi wamekufa Mbagala, na wangapi wamekufa Gongolamboto? Jeshi linaweza kuua watu wote hawa mchezo??! Tuna jeshi imara sana linalofanyia mazoezi kwa raia au hujui?
     
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    Basi mtakufa hadi mkome nyie wakenya. Wenzanu waganda mara wanapigana na Joseph Konnie, mara Sudani kusini. Na kokote kwenye vita lazima Uganda ipeleke majeshi. Majeshi ya Uganda hivi sasa yapo DRC, Somalia na kokote kwenye migogoro. Hatujawahi hata mara moja kusikia kenya imepeleka majeshi kokote. Halafu ndo mnataka mkajifunzie vita uganda? Au mnafikiri vita kati ya nchi na nchi ni sawa na vita kati jeshi na wananchi ile ya 2007?
     
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    And thus, your claim that 'Kenya defense forces are real professionals' is flawed!
     
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    This salvo befits people like MkenyaMzalendo, Nomasana and Smatta; manaake hawa jamaa ni noma sana, alafu kumbe ni waoga kama wahindi!
     
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    keep lying urself with oil they have its Kenya's economy will suffer!
     
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    they are good at word of mouth i am sure 70% Uganda will emerge a winner if they r to go in war! They hav all tactics from the gorrila tactics too air, water and land defence ! Unlikely untested Kenyan army that has so far been fighting its own people only!
     
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