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Africa needs development, not God

Discussion in 'Habari na Hoja mchanganyiko' started by Shy, Mar 16, 2009.

  1. Shy

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    Africa needs development, not God
    By Leo Igwe

    MY attention was drawn to an article "As an Atheist I truly believe Africa needs God" published on December 27, 2008 in the Time On-line in the UK. Personally, I found that piece deeply flawed, shallow, narrow and potentially misleading. The article is a misreading of the situation in Africa, and a misinterpretation of what Africa needs to walk tall in this 21st century.

    From his experience living with missionaries in Africa and returning 45 years later to witness the work of a British Christian charity, Pump Aid that helped rural Malawians install pumps and keep their village wells sealed and clean, Matthew Parris concluded that missionaries not aid money or the secular NGOs. God, not education or training was what Africa needed to grow, develop and emerge in this Century. He maintained that Christian faith was what Africa required to conquer fear, anxiety, a tribal belief system that has ground down their individual spirit and curiosity.

    I mean, nothing can be farther from the truth. First of all, I want to know, when Parris says Africa needs God, which God is he talking about. As an atheist, he doesn't believe in the existence of God. So how did he come about the God he thought Africa needed?

    Maybe a 'simple pump' in a rural community suddenly became an evidence of God's existence? Or the relative security he enjoyed near mission houses while travelling through Africa'? Or the missionary schools and hospitals in African villages? I mean, if these missionary schemes were enough to shake or embarrass Parris' growing belief that there is no God, then he is not a confirmed atheist.

    Alright, let's assume that Parris has suddenly realised that God exists. Which God did he think Africa needed that the continent does not have? Is it the tribal God? We have it in thousands. Or the Jewish God? Or the Christian God? Or the Islamic God? Which bloody deity does he think Africa lacks? None. In fact Africa is filled with Gods. The black continent is a den of deities. Obviously Parris meant the Christian God - the post reformation and post Luther Jesus God. Particularly that brand packaged and propagated by European missionaries through the installation of pumps and building of schools and hospitals. At this point I want to state that missionaries have been coming to Africa for centuries. In Nigeria, missionary work is over 200 years old. In fact some parts of Africa like Nigeria and Ghana have started sending locals to go and re-evangelise and bring God back to Europe and America. (I mean which Africa is Parris really talking about).

    In his article Parris failed to differentiate missionary God from missionary good or better what appears to be missionary good. The missionary god, like all other gods is a myth, a sacred fantasy and an illusion. While the mission good is real - a real attempt to spread and propagate the 'God delusion'. And I want to stress that the missionary good is not an evidence for the existence of the missionary god. Parris just allowed himself to be carried away or be seduced - by what he witnessed as some missionary good. He refused to take a critical look at it.

    No doubt missionaries have executed many humanitarian projects on the continent that have impacted positively on the lives of Africans. But these projects as helpful as they are or may appear to be are Trojan Horses. They are baits - evangelising weapons which missionaries use to get Africans to embrace Christianity. Missionary schools are religious indoctrination centres. Missionaries do not educate Africans to think for themselves or to exercise and express their individual curiosity and thought. They educate Africans to become slave to Christianity and to accept blindly and not to question, or challenge the Christian god, the Christian doctrines and the Christian dogmas.

    In most cases, missionaries locate their projects in rural areas. And these are places where people are not just desperately in need. These are places, where people are very ignorant, very gullible, and prone to being exploited. In most cases missionary schools and institutions are located on lands acquired and appropriated by force, without compensation or under false pretences like furthering the work of God, from poor rural peasants.

    It is true that at missionary hospitals they heal the sick. They also kill by denying women their rights to abortion and to reproductive health services. Missionary hospitals in Nigeria carry out forced baptism on infants and forced conversion on death bed and forced administration of sacraments on patients. It is important to note that, in these hospitals, missionaries heal the sick using scientific medicine not prayers or the power of God. They provide water by installing pumps, not by striking the rock with a rod as Moses did in the wilderness. But they will not teach Africans, the science behind their medicine or the technology of pump installation. Instead they attribute their work to god-the Christian god. So, the truth is that God has no hand and no place in the missionary work in Africa and Parris was greatly mistaken to have thought otherwise.

    I agree with Matthew Parris that African thought is driven by anxiety, fear of evil spirits, of witches and wizard etc. The same is applicable to Christianity and also to all religions so, Christian evangelism cannot liberate the African, mind or help cast off the crushing tribal group-think that hampers its development. The removal of Christian evangelism will not turn Africa into a place of chaos, confusion and superstition. (The continent is already a basket case with missionaries everywhere). Because Christianity is a superstition - a mind-enslaving and intellect-numbing superstition. What Christian evangelism has done and is doing in Africa is to replace one superstitious system with another or to reinforce the existing ones. Christian evangelism sanctioned and sanctified witch hunt, sexism, the persecution of gays, oppression and discrimination against non-believers, and other atrocities and crimes against humanity.

    To emerge in this 21st century, Africa does not need God or a re-invasion by missionaries. Africa needs the Good. Africa needs good governance, good infrastructure, good roads, good schools, college, and universities. Africans need a sound education and training system that would make them to think, create, criticise debate, invent, and innovate freely. As Francis Bacon said, knowledge is power. Africans need an educational programme that empowers them to discover, express and actualise their potential.

    Africa needs freedom. And this includes free mind, free society, free speech, free will, free expression of intelligence and free choice. Africa does not need a religion that shackles their minds and chains the intelligence. Africans need to rediscover and restore their humanity and human possibilities to the centre of their global perception ethics, education and belief system.

    So Africa needs humanism, skepticism, rationalism, positive atheism, and free thought. Africa needs reasons, not religion, not Christian evangelism or Islamism or spiritualism or supernaturalism to experience genuine rebirth, renaissance and transformation. A popular adage says "catch a fish for a child and feed the child once, teach the child how to fish and feed the child forever. It would have been wonderful if Pump Aid had gone to Malawi not only to install pumps but also to teach young Malawians at the Polytechnics in Blantyre or at the University of Malawi how to install pumps.

    So, all development aid, projects and programmes in Africa must be such that they teach, educate, inspire and empower Africans to fish, (not catch a fish for Africans) so that the people on the black continent can feed themselves forever. This is what Africa needs, not God.
     
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    Both Igwe and the aethist are wrong, Africa needs both God (the true Yahwe not god) and development among many other things.
     
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    The self contradicting Abrahamic godhead, and the imaginatively sado-masochistic manipulative licentious plunder never witnessed this side of the history of Rome -not barring even the Holocaust, with a capital H - he is said to have bestowed on the "civilized" peoples of this earth, peoples known for highfalutin philosophical theories about the brotherhood of mankind of the flavor ranging from Pythagoras Greece to Rousseau's renaissance, not to mention Christ himself, is one of the major factors that precisely got Africa into its present position.

    The nerve, such audacious nerve!
     
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    Ulaya Imani imepungua sana baada ya kupata maendeleo.. ni less tha 05% ya watu tena wazee kuenda kanisani!
     
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    Kwa hiyo unahusisha vipi hilo na mjadala huu?

    Kwamba watu wakipunguza imani za dini kama ulaya ndiyo wataendelea au vipi?
     
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    Ni kweli. Lakini ingawa wamezungukwa na vitu vingi: kwa nini suicide zinaongezeka?

    Binadamu kwa vyovyote vile anahitaji "Spiritual dimension". A balance is needed though!!
     
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    Africa inahusishwa (na ni ukweli mtupu) na ushirikina uliokithiri, mauaji ya kukatili yasiyoelezeka (e.g. ya Maalbino), rushwa za kutisha, etc. Hatumhitaji Mungu kweli?
     
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    Tunahitaji morality ambayo ipo naturaly ndani ya kila mtu.
    Sio ambayo inasamehe kitu chochote ili mradi utubu na kurudia sala mara mia.
     
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    Right on,

    Halafu eti mtu kamuibia jirani yake anayemuona, halafu anaenda kuomba msamaha kwa mungu!
     
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    Afrika tunahitaji ingenuity ili tuweze kuendelea.
     
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    Habari hii ina ukweli ndani yake, shida ni kwamba developments huja na package kama bado tunaendelea kuwa tegemezi...Strings always attached...Ukisema Mungu ujue kuna miungu tofauti,depending on what faith you refer to,kama ulivyosema the true God is "Yahwe" Na wengine watakwambia ni "Allah" Lakini trust me always kuna string attached unapotaka maendeleo kwasababu ya kuwa tegemezi...Utaambiwa unasaidiwa ili upate maendeleo lakini lazima na package ya Mungu mmojawapo hapo iwe included na ndio maana nimemwelewa kwa kiasi flani mwenye mada kwasababu ameona connection,ndiyo world history hiyo..
    Kwahiyo Nkamangi jambo moja usisahau ni kwamba kwenye historia ya dunia vitu hivi vinategemeana kutokana na jamii moja kutaka influence over jamii nyingine...Tusipokuwa makini hatutakaa tujikwamue kutoka kwenye umasikini.
     
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    I have a story that I used to tell Jehovah Witness that goes like this:" A troubled man went to seek help from his pastor, only to be greeted by the pastor's wife, who told him that the pastor was sick and had gone to the hospital for help."

    Our advancement can only be achieved through human ingenuity, not by a "God".



    yes indeed, they told us to abandon our "primitive" sacrificial ways, and then brought us to church to “eat his flesh and drink his blood”.


    Once I was visited by an Evangelist from Austria (and her African companion). I told her: "I wish you had come to preach me about "science" because that is what makes your country's standard of living better than mine."
     
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    You have made my day on this topic....Science tuko nyuma,wao wanategemea science na sisi tunategemea imani,licha ya kwamba wao wanjidai kama miungu watu kwa maana kwamba science ni uwezo wao wa kiungu na sisi ni kuwa na imani tu,Africa tunahitaji mabadilio makubwa sana licha ya kwamba si rahisi kwa kizazi hiki kubadilika moja kwa moja lakini ni lazima tupande mbegu zenye kutengeneza mazingira mazuri for the next generation.
     
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    Planc,

    Unajua ni rahisi kuyakimbia matatizo kuliko kuyakabili, ni rahisi kumsingizia mungu na kusema "God works in mysterious ways" kuliko kutafuta majibu ya maswali magumu, ni rahisi kutafuta psychological "feel good" therapy, kwa kumtengeneza mungu anayetulinda kulko kuwa vigilant na kujilinda wenyewe.

    Mimi nina matatizo mawili makubwa sana na mungu, na ninaposema mungu nakusudia the Abrahamic, Judeo-Christian godhead, kama wanafalsafa wengi walivyokwishasema hapo mwanzo na bila kupatiwa majibu yanayofaa kutoka kwa the likes of Anselm and St. Augustine, mimi the problem of evil and the incompatibility of free will and god's perfect knowledge vinanitatiza kuamini katika huyu omnipotent omniscient godhead.

    Kama mungu

    1. Ana upendo usio kifani wala kikomo
    2. Ana uwezo usio kifani wala kikomo
    3.Duniani kuna maovu mengi yanatokea (njaa, magonjwa, genocide -Rwanda Cambodia Darfur etc- Holocaust )

    Huoni kwamba hapa kuna contradiction kati ya mungu mwenye uwezo wa kuingilia na kuondoa haya maovu (au hata kuumba ulimwengu usio na maovu kabisa) asiingilie halafu akasema kwamba yeye kweli ana upendo usio kifani?

    Kwangu mimi, mungu aliye na upendo na uwezo lazima ataingilia kuondoa maovu haya tuishi hunky dory. Kama haingilii ni kwa sababu.

    Either
    1.Hana uwezo wa kuingilia (his hands are tied by laws of physics, a deal with Satan or whatever reason) so this is not an all powerful god, because it is not in his power to intervene.

    OR

    2. Ana uwezo wa kuingilia lakini hajachagua kufanya hivyo kwa makusudi, which would make him not all loving.Baba anayemuachia mtoto wake asiye hatia aungue moto hawezi kuwa na mapenzi yasiyo kifani.

    Of course there is always the one that people who not only think outside the box, but also outside the box outside the box, subscribe to.

    God as we know him in the Judeo Christian tradition, the omnipotent omniscient, simply does not exist.

    I am not even touching on the contradiction between human free will and god's perfect knowledge yet.

    Kwa hiyo the central premise of the need for God in order to develop is a fallacy.Ndiyo maana wazungu hawaendi makanisani na wanaoenda makanisani wanaenda kwa tradition tu lakini hawaamini.

    Ukisoma historia ya mungu utagundua ametengenezwa kwa sababu za kisiasa, primarily kuwa control watu na ku instill a sense of morality, which to me is a cheapened morality because it is based on a lie. Humanity can maintain a secular morality without religion or a godhead, Gautama Siddharta kabla ya kuwa hijacked na traditions za wahindi pamoja na Aristotle wameonyesha hivyo.
     
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    Where is MaxShimba na juisi yake ya pilipili?
     
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    The ability to solve difficult problems, often in original and creative ways
    source:en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ingenuity
     
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    Absolutely! Have we showed it? Hell no we haven't. What do we always do when faced with difficult problems? Look to the west....I wonder why?

    Ukiangalia matatizo mengi yanayoikabili Afrika yanatatulika lakini kamwe hatutendi kuyatatua. Tunaenda kuomba misaada Ulaya, Marekani, Asia.

    Tuna matatizo ambayo watu wengi hawataki kukiri tunayo!
     
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    Naomba nikusaidie kidogo tu kuwa Mungu kuwa yupo ni kweli na kweli tupu. Ila tatizo nikuwa wale walio propagate dhana ya Mungu wa kweli walikuwa na ushetani ndani yao wakamtumia Mungu kufikia malengo yao bila kujua kwakufanya hivyo because of the wisdom of God walimpeleka Mungu wakweli to areas ambazo kwa selfishness ya ibilisi asingewezekana kufika. Lakini kwanini basi Mungu wa upendo aache matatizo yawepo wakati yeye anauwezo? Ni kwa his own will binadamu alitoa uhuru wake kwa shetani akaamua amwache Mungu na akubali ya shetani kule kwenye bustani ya Edeni. Kwasababu Mungu ni mwenye haki na haki yake ipo kwa shetani pia. Mungu akiamua kumnyang'anya authority shetani while makubaliano yalikuwa ni ya wawili then haki yake inaondoka na anakuwa unrighteous. Ila tu cut short the stroy ni kuwa akafanya njia ya wale wenye kupenda kuondoka katika hiyo domain ya shetani waondoke at their own will kama walivyokubali kwenda kwa shetani in the first place. So God made Christ his wisdom of which whoever believeth its done no more no less. What happens is if you believe in God that; he sent Jesus who died and was resurected and that you need not to do anything to make yourself justfiable infront of God because you fall short of glory so no action which would make you reach the standards of God's perfection 'holliness' then you become a new creation which never existed before (a new species) and if you become so you are no longer subject to satanic forces as you bear a superior being just like that of resurected Jesus and so you are justified and therefore brought to the kingdom of God (The kingdom of his dear son) where the principle is walking by spirit and not according to your five sences. Hiyo naeleza kwakifupi sana otherwise its a topic of the whole year but it can take just a sentence through a reveletion of holly spirit which is the gift given by God to those who have chosen to be His sons and daughters to them he is father and not only God. Therefore God is God to all but father to those who are born by the spirit of God not according to the will of the fleshly fathers and mothers. To those who have come to the fullness of this knowledge they reign even now, they are not subject to poverty, diseases nothing of the satanic manifestation is disturbing them; those who claim God to be their father and still suffer have not come to the full understanding of their God they are called babes and these because they are loved by God they will suffer yes but when they die they will go to heaven. those who know whom they are they enjoy like no body and these are very few; I am one thats why I never believe in suffering and hate seeing people suffering the problem is when you try to interven they choose to suffer than believing what you tell them. Even to my country I am a Tanzanian by birth and I plead to you I wont die before I have brought changes to the people of my country quote me and I pray you would be there to witness to what I am declaring to you. I am brought to this world for a purpose not to fill the numbers of the population of my country; I am capable of bring changes not by power nor by might but through the spirit which is in me which gives me wisdom (Fernesis) to act in a very correct way and not gambling neither hurting others but solving the problem while maintaining the equilibrium. It starts with believing its possible and that you are capable then the rest follows............Be blessed
     
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    Kwa nini mungu mwenye upendo atengeneze dunia yenye shetani? Au kwa nini mungu mwenye upendo aruhusu mazingira yanayoweza kusababisha kuwepo kwa shetani? Ina maana mungu alipotengeneza dunia alikuwa hana uwezo wa kutengeneza dunia nzuri zaidi ambayo haina shetani? Kama hakuweza basi si mungu muweza yote, kama aliweza basi si mungu mwenye mapenzi yasiyo kikomo, kwa sababu katengeneza dunia yenye kishawishi licha ya kuweza kutengeneza dunia isiyo kishawishi.

    Kama mungu ni mwenye haki watoto wadogo wanaouawa bila hatia haki yao inatoka wapi? Wayahudi milioni sita waliouawa na NAZI haki yao iko wapi? Mababu zetu waliochukuliwa utumwa kwa mamia ya mamilioni na wengine kujitupa baharaini, wengine kupigwa vibaya, wengine kuhasiwa, wengine kuchomwa moto haki yao iko wapi? Umeshaona sinema za "Escape From Sobibor" "The Killing Fields" "Hotel Rwanda" "The Devil Came on Horseback" ? Hizi ni picha tu, ukweli wenyewe ulikuwa mbaya kuliko hizi picha.Josip Stalin aliuwa watu wengi kuliko Hitler, wale Cosacks aliowaua mpaka population pyramid ya Soviet Union ika collapse haki yao iko wapi? yule mtoto mdogo anayegongwa na gari wakati akienda kanisanai haki yake iko wapi?

    Ili kumnyang'anya authority ilibidi ampe kwanza, huyu mungu inaonekana hayuko responsible, amempa kichaa rungu, kampa shetani authority sasa shetani ana wreack havoc mungu anashindwa kum control!

    Kwa nini mungu aliye righteous aingie makubaliano na shetani in the first place? Huyu mungu atakuwa way below President Ronald Reagan wa Marekani aliyesema "we do not negotiate with terrorists".Mungu ana negotiate na shetani? Kwa nini? Kwa sababu anamuogopa au vipi? Hata kama anampenda cha kumfanya ni kumbadilisha, siyo ku negotiate naye.

    Katika scenario ya mungu mwenye kuweza yote na kujua yote bina damu hana will, binadamu anaishi katika Calvinistic predestination tu, living as a two bit actor in god's great play, either that or god is not all knowing and therefore not all powerful. Huwezi kuwa na binadamu mwenye free will na mungu anayejua kila kitu, it is a contradiction, a sure fallacy.

    This is a sad case of blaming the victim, na wale watoto wasiojua kitu wanaozaliwa katika umasikini na kufa kwa kwashiokor je? Wale wenye mi nzi kibao inawazonga mdomoni, wasioweza hata kupata maziwa ya mama zao kwa sababu mama wenyewe hawana afya na inabidi kutembea maili kumi kutafuta maji, nao walichagua suffering? Kwa nini mungu anaachia mambo mabaya yawatokee watu wema/wasio hatia? Je mungu hana uwezo wa kuwasaidia au hajali?
     
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    The fact that you have people like some of you here who can publicly say that God is bulshit, is to my opinion, a major step towards free thinking. It points out to the realization that, we alone can change our lives, and not someone up in the sky.

    Another issue to overcome but probably not much appreciated, ni tabia ya kubabaikia wazungu (na wageni wengine weupe weupe hapa bongo). Nchi yetu lakini...I hope you know what 'am talking about.

    Optimism: Slowly, kumekua na a new breed of entrepreneurs in Africa that are actually doing things strategically. There is optimism in Ghana, Kenya, and yes, even in Bongo (e.g. the Dar Village project). Many are featured on the TV show Studio 53.

    Also, there are many positive efforts from individuals and groups, such as Makatiani, alfred-Adekeye, and organizations such as TANcon, to name a few.

    Our time is slowly coming...
     
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