A New Constitution before 2015 is A MUST - NO COMPROMISE

[Shadow]

mkuu.... ninashangaa sana unapolinganisha level ya democracy na type of constitution kati ya USA na United Republic of Tanzania...... kweli kuna wasomi micharuko

do I need to say more?

 

[Kagemro]

What we are asking is not an act of 'mercy' or 'charity'. We are not asking CCM and its government to have "mercy" on us and grant us a "new constitution". As a matter of fact, we are not even asking "them". We are demanding a New Constitution BEFORE the next General Election.

It doesn't matter how many of "them" would come out and tell us that there would be no "new constitution". It doesn't matter how flawed their arguments are (as we intend to show them); and absolutely it doesn't matter who's the next person to come out to tell us that "there would be no new constitution". It doesn't matter at all.

Our resolve is very clear and our determination certain; we can not go to the next election in 2015 with this constitution. CCM and its supporters should understand that there would be no compromise in this one. No number of amendments to the Constitution will be good enough to quench our thirst for a new Constitution as we begin the second half a century of our independence.

So, let there be no illusion that we will be content with "some changes". We WON'T. If "they" won't lead the charge for the new constitution, a new generation of Tanzanians bold enough will take this call of our generation. Yes they will; Yes WE WILL.

So, do whatever u want to stop this new wave of constitutional reform; and whatever u do the new fire that burns within our hears will spread setting new hearts and minds for change for now we know we are not alone in this fight. We are together for change 2015!

Will talk more dear friends in the next few days, definitely before New Year!

Be Blessed!! and I missed you.
Greetings! MMM

karibu tena we really missed you.
thank you for this.

 

[Rutashubanyuma]

It doesn't matter how many of "them" would come out and tell us that there would be no "new constitution". It doesn't matter how flawed their arguments are (as we intend to show them); and absolutely it doesn't matter who's the next person to come out to tell us that "there would be no new constitution". It doesn't matter at all.

Na kwa bahati mbaya kwa CCM hata hela za kuendeshea nchi hawana wamezikabidhi kwa mafisadi kama DOWANS na wengineo........hivyo wanategemea wafadhili wawasaidie kuziba mashimo.............JK mwenyewe kwenye kampeni zake alikiri kuwa bila ya misaada ahadi zake ni hewa..............................sasa wafadhili wamelonga TZ must have an all inclusive new constitution....sasa CCM watapumulia wapi na huku raia nao tunadai kitu hicho hicho..........................hatutaki la ziada...........................

 

[Nonda]

Mimi nafikiria sasa kupumzika kulog in kwenye JF maana imevamiwa, sasa jinga jinga kama hili utaliweka kwenye kundi gani? sichangii chochote naomba asome tu signature yangu.

mkuu,
wavamiaji wengi wamebeba majina ya kike lakini wanazungumza kama milevi ya kiume!! duu..

 

[Nonda]

Mzee Mwanakijiji,

maneno juu ya msitari...lakini unayemwambia ametia pamba masikioni! Pia anajua anaongoza makondoo..kazi kweli kweli.
vipi umma utaacha ukondoo? vipi tunaweza kuziondowa pamba za masikio za wanaongoza serikali?
kwa kuandika mitandaoni ? Itatuchukua miaka mingapi?
Dai hili lipo tokea 1992.......hatujachoka kusubiri?

 

[Mzee Mwanakijiji]

Just a food for thought:

United States Constitution has so far been amended 27 times after more than 200 years of her independence. How many times URT katiba has been amended in less than 50years? Does it show that our constitution is a 'dead' constitution which doesn't meet the spirit of principles of constitution? i.e. a living constitution?

Happy holidays folks.

Katiba yao iliandikwaje na substance yake inalingana kwa kiasi gani na hii ya kwetu on fundamental constitutional principles? au unalinganisha TU kwenye idadi ya orodha ya mabadiliko?

 

[omarilyas]

I have gone back and re-read what I just wrote to see if I ever mentioned Chadema; sorry to disappoint you I didn't find it. The next time when I write about a political party then you can criticize that. Otherwise don't try to be a mind reader. I do not worship at the alter of a political party. I don't not know CCM members who have come out to demand a new constitution, so far there is none that I know of. Almost all who have offered their opinions on the issue they have only spoken about the "need for new constitution or amendments". No one is demanding a new constitution within the ruling party. I stand to be corrected.

Kaka,

This is exactly what I am worried. Kwa jinsi hawa jamaa zangu wa CUF, NCCR, CHADEMA na wengineo wanavyopigana vikumbo kuhodhi hii ajenda ni wazi mwisho wa siku tutakuta umechakachuliwa kiasi ya kwamba kila anayeongea ajenda hii ataonekana anawakilisha maslahi ya kisiasa ya hawa na sio wale(Katika sura ya vyama ama hata dini). No wonder unasikia sauti kutoka upande mwengine zinakuwa timidly in style kwani wapo wanaogopa kuona wanaonekana ni agentsmakuwadi wa wengine lakini pia wapo ambao wako convinced kuwa kuongelea hilo kwa sauti kubwa ni sawa na kutumika kuhalalisha maslahi ya kisiasa ya watu na makundi fulani ya kisiasa na kijamii.

Ni muhimu kuwaambia wazi hawa jamaa zetu...STOP POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY on every issue....at least this one.

 

[Nyambala]

Kaka,

This is exactly what I am worried ..of... Kwa jinsi hawa jamaa zangu wa CDM, NCCR Mageuzi, CHADEMA na wengineo wanavyopigana vikumbo kuhodhi hii ajenda ni wazi mwisho wa siku tutakuta umechakachuliwa kiasi ya kwamba kila anayeongea ajenda hii ataonekana anawakilisha maslahi ya kisiasa ya hawa na sio wale(Katika sura ya vyama ama hata dini). No wonder unasikia sauti kutoka upande mwengine zinakuwa timidly in style kwani wapo wanaogopa kuona wanaonekana ni agentsmakuwadi wa wengine lakini pia wapo ambao wako convinced kuwa kuongelea hilo kwa sauti kubwa ni sawa na kutumika kuhalalisha maslahi ya kisiasa ya watu na makundi fulani ya kisiasa na kijamii.

Ni muhimu kuwaambia wazi hawa jamaa zetu...STOP POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY on every issue....at least this one.

Keep worrying, the train has just left seeya when you get there!!!!

 

[omarilyas]

Keep worrying, the train has just left seeya when you get there!!!!

The issue is where and how?

 

[Lekanjobe Kubinika]

Hatuhitaji vitisho kwenye suala la katiba mpya,suala la katiba mpya si la CHADEMA pekee...katiba ni kwa maslahi ya watanzania wote,so unapozungumzia CCM uwe makini coz wapo wanachama wa CCM wanaotaka katiba mpya.Tatizo lenu ni kuweka mbele malengo yenu ya kushika madaraka ya nchi kuliko maslahi ya watanzania,ndo maana mnauzungumza sana uchaguzi wa 2015 na hasa suala la tume huru,kitu ambacho hata asiye CCM anakitaka.kuna watu mko tayari watu wafe ili mradi mpate mnachokitaka.Msitugawanye kwa misingi ya kichama linapokuja suala la katiba.Tanzania ni yetu sote na tunaipenda na tunataka mabadiliko ila si kwa vitisho wala pressure.And who are you to say its a must,are you speaking on behalf of your party or on behalf of Tanzanians,how many Tanzanians know the constitution or how it is of benefit to them?

Mkuu, hapo ndipo unapopotoka. watu wanapozungumzia KATIBA hawazungumzi kama wanachadema, CUF, CCM au chama chochote. Sasa wewe nahisi unataka kupindisha mjadala. Hoja hapa ni kwamba yeyote awaye yote asichezee mawazo ya watanzania na kuwabeza maana watanzania wa leo sio sawa na wale wa 1977 wakati CCM ilipokuwa inazaliwa au kabla ya hapo. Shida iliyopo ni kwa chama tawala ambacho kwa bahati mbaya sana ndiyo CCM yenyewe inataka kuifanya KATIBA kama vile ni mali yake binafsi. Viongozi wake wamesikika wakiropoka kama zamani tu, kwamba wataendelea kuweka viraka kwenye katiba iliyopo, na wengine wanasema kuandika katiba mpya ni sawa na kuipindua nchi.....mawazo kama ya mwenda wazimu vile ingawa anayenukuliwa kuyatamka anaheshimika vizuri sana, inaelekea amerogwa kama wagalatia waliodhani swala la kuokoka ni la wayahudi peke yao wakidhani Mungu ni hati miliki yao.

Hebu tuzaliwe upya kiakili sasa na tuzungumze na kufikiria juu ya katiba kama watanzania na wala sio wanachama wa chama fulani. Ikumbukwe watanzania wengi sana hawaambatani na chama chochote kwa sababu zao nzuri sana, na huo sio ukafiri. Hata mimi sio mwanachama wa chama chochote, lakini chama kikija na hoja ya manufaa kwa nchi nakiunga mkono tena waziwazi lakini kadi yao sina. Uhuru wangu ni mali zaidi kuliko kuwa kwenye chama fulani, ndio maana katiba mpya nataka itutambue na sie kwamba tupo na tunaweza kuchagua na kuchaguliwa kuiongoza nchi, maana nchi kwanza na chama ni hiari ya mtu. Hakuna chama kilicho kitakatifu, vyote vimeoza pia, Tanzania inasimama ngangari na itatetewa kwa kila hali. Hiyo Tanzania ndio inayotakiwa kuandikiwa katiba mpya yenye kukidhi matakwa ya kila anayeishi humo ndani bila kujali chama anachotoka.

Watu wanajadili mambo ya maana lakini kuna walevi wanajitokeza kubadilisha uelekeo wa upepo, washindwe na kulegea kabisa! Wanaoziba midomo ya watu wanaotoa mawazo yao mimi nawaona kama punguani vile, maana wanadhani wana haki zaidi kuliko wengine. Kama mtu anadhani hana kitu cha kuchangia sielewi kwa nini alazimike kuandika na kuanika umbumbumbu wake hapa jukwaani ambapo dunia nzima inamuona hata kama anatumia jina bandia.

Heri mimi sijasema. Katiba mpya hoyeeeeeeee!

 

[Topical]

Tuanze na upungufu wa katiba iliyopo

And then Rationale for new constitution

Wananchi watapima ipo bora iliyopo au zamani au siyo?

I hope tuta vote end of the day

 

[LAT]

Tuanze na upungufu wa katiba iliyopo

And then Rationale for new constitution

Wananchi watapima ipo bora iliyopo au zamani au siyo?

I hope tuta vote end of the day

Kinyaa

 

[Mzee Mwanakijiji]

We have to extend this argument from just a mere demand for a "new constitution" but it has to be more than just "new"! What we need is a better constitution than what we have now. Then the question need to be formed: "do we have a Constitution that is meeting our needs as a people and as a democracy?"

 

[Sikonge]

Mwanakijiji,

Nafurahi sana kukuona tena LIVE. Itabidi kesho ni niwasiliane na nduguyo Mwakalinga (undugu wa JF) maana alinipigia simu kukuulizia. Ukiweza basi mwandikie kiujumbe mapema kuwa ulisafiri na kurudi salama usalimini.

Tukirudi kwenye KATIBA, nafikiri katiba mpya ni haki yetu.

Haki haiwezi kuzuiliwa. Watakachofanya ni kuichelewesha tu. Watabana na mwisho wataachia.

Wakijifanya wana FFU na TISS basi wakumbuke kuwa hata Warusi walikuwa na KGB, Spetsnaz & Red Army.

People Power itafanya kazi yake na KATIBA itabadilishwa na uchaguzi HURU kufanyika.

 

[Mzee Mwanakijiji]

Pamoja na maneno matamu ya Rais Kikwete leo, ukweli unabakia pale pale kuwa hatuwezi kwenda kwenye uchaguzi ujao na Katiba ya sasa; kwa hiyo tunaposema Katiba mpya no compromise, maana yake ni pamoja na ukweli kuwa we are not compromising on the issue of "when".

 

[Mapinduzi]

Pamoja na maneno matamu ya Rais Kikwete leo, ukweli unabakia pale pale kuwa hatuwezi kwenda kwenye uchaguzi ujao na Katiba ya sasa; kwa hiyo tunaposema Katiba mpya no compromise, maana yake ni pamoja na ukweli kuwa we are not compromising on the issue of "when".

Haiwezekani kabisa Katiba mpya kupatikana kabla ya 2015.

Kukubali kuwepo kwa katiba mpya ni mtaji wa ushindi wa CCM kwa uchaguzi 2015, mchakato utakapokuwa unaendelea. Mabadiliko ya Katiba na kupatikana kwa Katiba mpya ni mtaji ya CCM kushinda urais wa 2020.

 

[Mimibaba]

Pole pole wazee; mwelezeni kuwa tatizo la katiba yetu ya sasa haikidhi mahitaji na maslahi ya watanzania wa leo. Kwa maana hiyo ni katiba mfu ambayo inatumiwa vibaya na baadhi ya wenzetu kwa maslahi yao. Katiba mpya sisi wengine tunataka ikidhi mahitaji na maslahi ya kila mtu, kila kundi na kuweka misingi ya utaifa.

 

[LAT]

now the biggest project ahead is time...., ? time will tell if JK is morally promising

 

[Mapinduzi]

Haiwezekani kabisa Katiba mpya kupatikana kabla ya 2015.

Kukubali kuwepo kwa katiba mpya ni mtaji wa ushindi wa CCM kwa uchaguzi 2015, mchakato utakapokuwa unaendelea. Mabadiliko ya Katiba na kupatikana kwa Katiba mpya ni mtaji ya CCM kushinda urais wa 2020.

Point noted and taken. Mwanakijiji ataishughulikia.

 

[Jay One]

Just a food for thought:

United States Constitution has so far been amended 27 times after more than 200 years of her independence. How many times URT katiba has been amended in less than 50years? Does it show that our constitution is a 'dead' constitution which doesn’t meet the spirit of principles of constitution? i.e. a living constitution?

Happy holidays folks.

We don't need amendments we need a New constitution, we are very vocal on this ( not AMENDMENTS ) & Don't compare USA constitution with
ours, USA they know what they are doing for betterment ot their citizens, & we are very very different with USA when you talk of constitution
let's have a New Constitution that fits us, not single party, or person( i.e Presidents & his powers), this is UNFINISHED BUSSINESS yet, NEW no AMENDMENTS