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      The Minister of Foreign Affairs, Phandu Skelemani has said that Kenyan president-elect, Uhuru Kenyatta who is facing crimes against humanity charges at The Hague should not set foot in Botswana if he refuses to cooperate with the International Criminal Court (ICC) as some suspect.


      "If he refuses to go (to The Hague), then we have a problem. That means that they do not know the rule of law.You can't establish a court and refuse to go when it calls you. If he refuses, he won't set foot here," Skelemani said.

      He expressed confidence that Kenyatta and his running mate in the just concluded Kenyan elections, William Ruto who is also facing similar charges will cooperate with the ICC. He said the Kenyan cases are different from that of another top ICC customer, Sudan's President Omar Al-Bashir.
      "The Kenyans have never refused to go to the ICC whereas Bashir has. We expect Kenyatta to go when his case resumes," Skelemani said.

      Kenyatta is the first person to be elected president while facing charges of crimes against humanity. When he takes the oath of office, he will become the second sitting president after Al-Bashir to face war crimes and crimes against humanity charges at ICC. Al-Bashir, was re-elected in 2010 despite the ICC's warrant for his arrest.

      Kenyatta, Ruto and radio journalist Joshua Sang are charged with crimes against humanity and war crimes following the 2007 post-election violence that claimed more than 1,000 lives and displaced 600,000.

      Similar charges against Francis Muthaura, the then head of the civil service, were dropped after the ICC prosecutor Dr Fatou Bensouda found that a crucial witness had changed his statement.

      Kenyan cabinet minister, Henry Kosgey and then police commissioner Hussein Ali were also charged with crimes against humanity but were cleared by the ICC's pre-trial chamber for lack of evidence.

      During her visit to Botswana in 2011, then deputy ICC prosecutor, Bensouda said that African leaders unfairly think that the court is targeting them when the truth of the matter is that they endorsed its establishment and ratified the Roman Statute that established it.

      She advised Africans to act within the parameters of the law. By mid 2011, the ICC warrant against Al-Bashir had divided the African Union with some states saying that it should be suspended pending efforts to resolve the dispute between the north and south.
      Botswana has stated that it will arrest Al-Bashir and hand him over to ICC should he set foot in the country. President Ian Khama has been on record calling Bashir a 'cancer'.

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      Quote By Prisoner 46664 View Post
      Really?!?..what does Botswana supply to the world that is so pertinent?!Financial aid?!?fire arms?!?

      This minister needed to be a bit more intelligent...Kenyatta should cooperate with ICC if Bush and Blair ever did. Anyone remembers all the atrocities they caused to women and children in Iraq and Afghanistan??!
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      So,there's a country by the name BOTSWANA?And whats so good about that God-forsaken hell hole they call a country???
      Don't even compare Botswana with Kenya or Tanzania. That country is far way from the two.

      You'are asking what is all about Botswana? Probably, because it is not even a "developing country" like yours.

      Badala ya kuendekeza unafiki, if Kenya doesn't want the ICC, it can simply withdraw its signature from the ICC Statute.
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      cooperation with the ICC inaweza maanisha ukoloni mambo leo
      Kama ndiyo hivyo si mjiondoe ICC?

      Kwani mmelazimishwa kuwa member wa ICC?

      Badala ya kulalama tuu ondoeni saini yenu kabisa.
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      Don't even compare Botswana with Kenya or Tanzania. That country is far way from the two.
      demographical factors za constraits may be superior to kenya and tanzania, but inawezekana ukaribu wao na SA ndio factor kubwa.

      halafu ina maana huyu waziri tayari anajua matokeo ya kesi ya uhuru na ametoa statement inayomlenga uhuru. get this: tatizo ni kuwa he is aiding to popularize the icc speculation na sio the rule of law. ikiwa anaelewa sheria ingembidi kufunga mdomo mpaka bensouda atakpokamilisha a full hearing. the truth of the matter kama walivyo wapumbavu viongozi wengi afrika na kusahau kufanya someone else bidding.

      ninachojua ni iCC imepigwa bao na huenda kusiwa na kesi

      kama anaelewa maana ya rule-of-law, asingetoa kauli kabla ya ICC kufanya a full prosecution.

      ....ina maana ICC agenda inakuwa rehearsed na mataifa mengi afrika ndio izidi kumanufucture ushaidi potovu.
      kwa ufupi ni afrika sasa ukweli utatambulika ni mataifa gani yanjitawala na yapi yanaongozwa na vibaraka.

      ina any case madini ya botswana imewekwa kwenye hazina ya wakoloni,..
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      Kiranga,

      pamoja na hayo, Nadhani baadhi yetu tunasahau kuwa uhuru ni pamoja na kuweza kupanga, kuchagua na kuyasimamia mambo unayoyaamini. Ikiwa hivyo, Kenya imeridhia ICC, na effectiveness yake ndiyo hii. Nchi nyingi zinalalamika kuwa ICC "inawatarget viongozi wa Afrika," na nadhani wangepata nafasi wangeibomoa, iwe blunt na inefective kama zilivyo mahakama zetu nyingi barani.

      Hii haitofautiani sana na Zuma alipoibomoa The Scorpions, kwa sababu hizo hizo kuwa inamtarget yeye na kuwa politically biased. Tuamini katika chombo gani basi ili tukisimamie? AU imeanzisha mahakama yake pale Arusha, subiri uone aina ya kesi zitakazokwenda pale...

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      Quote By ANKOJEI View Post
      wanaoexport ni wa botswana asilia, makaburu au waafrika? get your point wel?
      Ikiwa unafahamu wanao export ni akina nani, je, ndiyo walioizuia Tanzania isi export? Au lazima aje kaburu akuonyeshe how to export meat? Unajua miaka ya 80 tulikuwa tunakula nyama za kwenye makopo (sina maana ya jalalani) hapa Tanzania, na baadhi ya viwanda ni kile kinachoonekana gofu pale Kawe?

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      Default re: Skelemani confronts Uhuru on ICC then retracts statement.

      what is boo-tswana by the way..?

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      Quote By Mbalamwezi View Post
      Kiranga,

      pamoja na hayo, Nadhani baadhi yetu tunasahau kuwa uhuru ni pamoja na kuweza kupanga, kuchagua na kuyasimamia mambo unayoyaamini. Ikiwa hivyo, Kenya imeridhia ICC, na effectiveness yake ndiyo hii. Nchi nyingi zinalalamika kuwa ICC "inawatarget viongozi wa Afrika," na nadhani wangepata nafasi wangeibomoa, iwe blunt na inefective kama zilivyo mahakama zetu nyingi barani.

      Hii haitofautiani sana na Zuma alipoibomoa The Scorpions, kwa sababu hizo hizo kuwa inamtarget yeye na kuwa politically biased. Tuamini katika chombo gani basi ili tukisimamie? AU imeanzisha mahakama yake pale Arusha, subiri uone aina ya kesi zitakazokwenda pale...
      This is completely out of scope as far as my remarks are concerned.

      My main point ni kwamba FM wa Botswana kachemka kwa kujiingiza kwenye speculations za hypotheticals.

      Uhuru awe na makosa au asiwe na makosa, FM kachemka.

      ICC iwe inawatarget waafrika fairly au unfairly, FM kachemka.

      Afrika iamini ICC au isiamini, FM kachemka.

      Uhuru akubali ku cooperate na ICC au asikubali, FM kachemka.

      Bora hata angesema "Uhuru Kenyatta asikanyage Botswana kwa sababu hatumtambui na as far as we are concerned he is a criminal" angekuwa haongelei speculations na hypotheticals, angetoa msimamo wa nchi kutokana na kitu ambacho tayari kipo, the understanding that Uhuru is a criminal by Botswana's books.

      Sasa yeye kajiingiza katika habari za "ikiwa" "endapo" "itakapotokea" hivi, tutafanya hivi.

      Isipotokea je?

      Tushaona ICC imeitupa kesi ya Muthaura juzi kwa kukosa ushahidi.Mashahidi wamekufa wote na wengine wanaogopa. Sasa huyo Muthaura tu, dagaa, papa lenyewe Uhuru wataliweza? Mi naona it is a matter of time before they drop Uhuru's case.Ku drop Muthaura's case is just preparing us and lowering expectations tusishangae sana watakapo drop case ya Uhuru.

      Wamarekani wanataka uhusiano mzuri na yeyote atakayekuwa rais wa Kenya ili kufanya biashara zao Kenya na ku monitor Somalia/ terrorism. Wenyewe hawataki Uhuru awe pariah kwa sababu one way or another watatakiwa ku deal naye, in fact Wamarekani wanamuhitaji Uhuru kuliko Uhuru anavyowahitaji.

      Unaona FM alivyojichomeka katika ma geopolitics bila kufikiri?

      Foreign policy is a game of cards.Kuongelea hypotheticals ni kuonyesha cards zako kabla wakati wako wa kucheza haujafika.

      Angeacha ICC imhukumu Uhuru, then based on hukumu hiyo, Botswana inaweza kusema Uhuru akikanyaga Botswana atakamatwa.

      Sasa hivi Uhuru kesi yake ikitupwa je? Si washaharibu uwezekano wa kuwa na uhusiano mzuri bila sababu muhimu.

      Naelewa doa alilo nalo Uhuru. Lakini hii move ni rookie mistake.

      Almost like the Tswanas are too eager to appear that they are for justice to the extent that they are speculating to the realm of presuming someone to be "guilty until proven innocent".

      Again, prudent foreign policy wonks would frown upon speculations.
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      Botswana ni taifa lenye uchumi bora barani Afrika na ni wa pili tu kwa Afrika Kusini. Siku zote ubora wa uchumi ni kielelezo cha ubora wa uongozi wa nchi na ufinyu wa vitendo vya rushwa.

      Pindi serikali ya Botswana wanapofungua mdomo kuongea hizi serikali nyinginezo zafaa kukaa kimya na kuwasikiliza kwa makini zaidi. Uadilifu mbeele sana mkuu.

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      serikali ya botswana wamejizoesha ile tunasema bootliking kwa mzungu. tatizo ni serikali ikijiweka katika hali hii, hata kupiga hatua kimaendeleo kwa wananchi hua changamoto maana rasilimali zimewekezewa kama zawadi kwa mkoloni. ndio utakuta hata taifa inakuwa taifa ya walalamikao. hii isiwe kama ambavyo CDM wanavoendesha shuchuli zao za mauzauza. botswana wana madini na huenda wameyawekea shughuli hio

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      Huyu Phandu Skelemani, kila nikimuangalia (wajihi wake) naona ni kama mtu wa East Africa, hasa Zanzibar na hata hilo jina lake linasound kama Pandu Selemani? kuna mtu anamfahamu vizuri huyu bwana atupe mwanga kidogo
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      Really?!?..what does Botswana supply to the world that is so pertinent?!Financial aid?!?fire arms?!?

      This minister needed to be a bit more intelligent...Kenyatta should cooperate with ICC if Bush and Blair ever did. Anyone remembers all the atrocities they caused to women and children in Iraq and Afghanistan??!
      Us sio signarory wa mkataba wa Rome,so hapo kwa ICC ni irrelevant
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      Quote By Ben Saanane View Post
      Us sio signarory wa mkataba wa Rome,so hapo kwa ICC ni irrelevant
      ndio hawa bush na blair sio signatories wa ICC hata wakitekeleza mauaji hawashitakiwi maana sio signitories and have immunity to commit crimes. very plain thinking on the matter!! thanks for the 411

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      serikali ya botswana wamejizoesha ile tunasema bootliking kwa mzungu. tatizo ni serikali ikijiweka katika hali hii, hata kupiga hatua kimaendeleo kwa wananchi hua changamoto maana rasilimali zimewekezewa kama zawadi kwa mkoloni. ndio utakuta hata taifa inakuwa taifa ya walalamikao. hii isiwe kama ambavyo CDM wanavoendesha shuchuli zao za mauzauza. botswana wana madini na huenda wameyawekea shughuli hio
      Labda kama nimekuelewa sivyo. ILA inawezekana wewe si mwelewa au huna taarifa wa halisi ya maendeleo ya kiuchumi ya nchi ya Botswana. Kama ni Bootliking basi TZ na hasa JK ndiyo kinara!
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      kabaridi,hauna hoja wala hukustahili kuandika uzushi kama huo sijui unaishi dunia gani nadhani umeona watu wenye upeo wa kujua mambo wamekupa walau data kwa uchache,ongeza uwezo wa tafakari na utafiti sio kama ccm yako ilo zeeka kifikra!shukrani kwa walokujibu kwa mifano hai!

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      Default Botswana Apologises to President –elect Uhuru Kenyatta and Kenyans

      Twitter uproar:Botswana’s Foreign Affairs minister Phandu Skelemani has retracted a statement on Kenya president-elect Uhuru Kenyatta saying he is free to visit his country since he is “innocent until proven guilty”.
      Mr Skelemani had earlier said Mr Kenyattamust not set foot in his country if he refuses to cooperate with the International Criminal Court (ICC).

      “This is to retract my statement made earlier about the President-elect of Kenya. The President-elect of Kenya, Uhuru Kenyatta, is more than welcome to visit Botswana.

      “Botswana respects the rule of law and it’s cognisant of a section of the law that maintains “One is innocent until proven guilty,” read part of his statement below.

      The ICC has charged Mr Kenyatta with crimes against humanity for bearing the greatest responsibility for the post election violence in which 1,133 people died and 650,000 were displaced. He is due to stand trial on July 9.

      Mr Skelemani said he appreciated Mr Kenyatta’s cooperation with the ICC so far.

      “I apologise to the Kenyan people for misunderstanding my earlier statement. I wish to maintain that Kenya and Botswana have always worked together and nothing will distract that.”

      Mr Skelemani wished the newly elected president of Kenya and his government “all the best in the new responsibility of governing Kenya”.

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      why would he want to go to botswana?

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      Really?!?..what does Botswana supply to the world that is so pertinent?!Financial aid?!?fire arms?!?
      Ulidhani Botswana ni sawa na Tanzania?
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      demographical factors za constraits may be superior to kenya and tanzania, but inawezekana ukaribu wao na SA ndio factor kubwa.
      Na Lesotho utaiweka wapi?
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      Ikiwa unafahamu wanao export ni akina nani, je, ndiyo walioizuia Tanzania isi export? Au lazima aje kaburu akuonyeshe how to export meat? Unajua miaka ya 80 tulikuwa tunakula nyama za kwenye makopo (sina maana ya jalalani) hapa Tanzania, na baadhi ya viwanda ni kile kinachoonekana gofu pale Kawe?
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