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      Default Kero za Muungano na utatuzi wake - Sehemu ya Pili

      Ni muda muafaka kupeleka hoja ya kuwa na serikali ya Tanganyika.

      Kutokana na hali na upepo wa kisiasa, natumaini kwa wabunge wa ‘Tanganyika’ huu ni Muda muafaka wa kupeleka hoja ya kubadili katiba na kuanzisha serikali ya Tanganyika na kuanzisha vifungu vya kulinda maliasili za watanganyika .

      That said, Rais JM Kikwete apewe muda wa kuongoza serikali ya Muungano [URT] kwa muda wa miaka miwili kusimamia mchakato wa kuanzisha Katiba mpya ya Tanzania ambayo itakuwa na maudhui ya kuanzisha Federal State.

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      Arrow Mtazamo wa Pro. Othman kuhusu Muundo wa Muungano

      Hii ni sehemu tu ya makala yake marehemu Professor Haroub Othman kuhusu Muungano

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      Union of Tanganyika and Zanzibar: African Initiative or Cold War Rivalry? April 17, 2009

      By Professor Haroub Othman


      The circumstances in which the Union was formed raised a lot of questions, many of which are still unanswered, and some have been at the centre of continuing debates and controversies in Tanzania in the last twenty years. Were the fears of ZNP that Zanzibar would be ‘taken over’ by Tanganyika had been proven true? In later years, the Union was to haunt the Zanzibar politicians for a long time, with each of them playing the “Union card” either for legitimacy on the Mainland or for support at home.
      Nyerere stated that he casually proposed the idea of the Union to Karume when the latter visited him to discuss the fate of John Okello. According to Nyerere, Karume immediately agreed to the idea and suggested that Nyerere should be the President of such a Union. In a New Year message to the Nation on 2 January 1965, Nyerere implied that even if the ASP had come into power through constitutional means and not as a result of a revolution, the Union would still have taken place. But Amrit Wilson’s research has revealed that there was a very strong Western pressure, especially from the United States, for the Zanzibar Revolution to be contained because it was felt that it held the threat of the spread of communism in the East African region. The Untied States, Britain and the then West Germany, which Tanganyika was heavily dependent on at the time, viewed the revolutionary government in Zanzibar as either a surrogate of the communist powers or dancing to their tune. The international press had already started to characterize Zanzibar as the ‘Cuba of Africa’, though to be fair to Duggan, he had referred to Zanzibar as “Tanganyika’s Cuba” far back in July 1963 when he had interviewed Nyerere in Washington during the latter’s state visit to the US.

      In a cable message to US embassies in Dar es Salaam, Nairobi and Kampala, the US Secretary of State Dean Rusk instructed his diplomats to urge Nyerere, Kenyatta and Obote to explain to Karume the dangers involved in his dependence on Babu and:
      The danger Babu represents… to the security of Zanzibar and East Africa generally… they should recognize here that the big problem is that Karume himself has great confidence in and dependence on Babu… also that Nyerere has said that Karume needs Babu who, despite his background, can and must be worked with. Kenyatta and Joseph Murumbi on the other hand appear to regard Babu as undesirable and the chief threat to Karume. Would it be useful to raise with Nyerere, despite his previous objection, the idea of a Zanzibar-Tanganyika Federation as a possible way of strengthening Karume and reducing Babu’s influence? Such action at this time may also help Nyerere’s own position.
      In an interview with Amrit Wilson in 1986, Frank Carlucci, the US Consul in Zanzibar at the time of the Union who was later thrown out of Zanzibar because of CIA activities (and who later rose to become the Director of CIA and US Secretary of State for Defence), confessed that there was United States’ pressure on Nyerere.
      Susan Crouch in her book Western Responses to Tanzanian Socialism 1967-1983 reveals that:
      To this end the American Central Intelligence Agency was active in trying to create the conditions for union, fanning antagonisms among Zanzibar’s revolutionary leaders, and creating a fear of Zanzibar as a communist threat among East African leaders.

      It has also been suggested that Karume wanted a Union with Tanganyika as a means of warding off his Marxist and Left wing colleagues. What seems to be the case is that after the electoral defeat of July 1963 Karume’s leadership within the ASP parliamentary group was shaky.

      After the revolution, Umma Party radical elements in the government (Babu, Khamis Abdalla Ameir, Ali Sultan Issa, Ali Mahfoudh, Salim Rashid, Badawi Qullatein, etc) were forging links with the ASP leftists (Abdallah Kassim Hanga. Abdulazizi Ali Twala, Hassan Nassor Moyo, etc.), and this might have scared Karume and other moderate elements within the regime. At the same time, the radical way in which the revolution was surging ahead might have alarmed the regime in Dar es Salaam. It should not be forgotten that within days of the revolution in Zanzibar, an army mutiny took place in Tanganyika (later repeated in Kenya and Uganda); and even though we know now that there was no link between the revolution and those mutinies, it was difficult to see it that way at the time.
      As a result of the army mutiny in Dar es Salaam, Tabora and Nachingwea, there was virtually no government in Tanganyika for three days, anarchy prevailed, and Nyerere was forced to request British military intervention to bring the country back to normalcy.

      Legitimacy of the Union: The ‘Absence’ of the Attorney-General and the Question of a Referendum
      Many questions continued to be raised regarding the legal basis of the Union: whether the two Presidents on their own had the powers to sign such a Union Agreement; why the Zanzibar’s Attorney-General, as the principal legal advisor to the government, was not consulted; why there was no referendum; and whether in joining such a union, Zanzibar was not in fact ‘swallowed’ and ‘annexed’ by Tanganyika.
      Discussions on the union were conducted very secretively.

      When these discussions were at an advanced stage, Nyerere is said to have called in his Attorney-General at the time, British expert Roland Brown, and asked him to draft a Union Agreement without anybody knowing. In the case of Zanzibar, the Attorney-General, Wolf Dourado, is said to have been sent on a one-week ‘leave’ and instead a Ugandan lawyer, Dan Nabudere (accoridng to his own account which was corroborated by Babu), was brought in to advise Karume on the draft submitted by Tanganyika. Both Brown and Nabudere were present in the Karume-Nyerere discussions. One can speculate that one reason why Dourado was not involved was because he was ‘inherited’ from the previous ZNP/ZPPP regime and the revolutionary government was hesitant to involve him in such a sensitive matter.

      Under both the 1962 Republic of Tanganyika Constitution and the Zanzibar Presidential Decree No.5 quoted above, the two Presidents had the powers to enter into international agreements on behalf of their governments. What is also important is that the Union Agreement was ratified by both the Tanganyika Parliament and the Zanzibar Revolutionary Council. Contrary to what some writers have said, the Nyalali Commission was satisfied that the Revolutionary Council met to ratify the ‘Articles of Union’. Both Abdulrahman Babu and Khamis Abdallah Ameir, the two former Umma Party leaders who were in the Revolutionary Council at the time, have confirmed that the matter was discussed in the Council, and while there were reservations on the part of some members, these were ‘quashed’ by Abdallah Kassim Hanga who made an emotional intervention to support the Union.
      Once the ‘Articles of Union’ have been ratified by the two legislative bodies in Tanganyika and Zanzibar, there was no further requirement in law to make them enforceable. The question of referendum would not have arisen because under the Commonwealth legal tradition, in which the two countries were brought up, the notion of a referendum was unknown. The referendum was introduced as a legal requirement under British law in the 1970s during the heated debate in the United Kingdom on the question of its entry into the European Economic Community.

      Articles of Union: 1 + 1 = 3
      The Union Agreement, signed by Karume and Nyerere in Zanzibar on 22 April 1964, is known as the ‘Articles of Union’. When this agreement was announced the following day many people inside the two countries, and outside too, were taken by surprise. The strong feeling was that the West had won in their intention to containing the Zanzibar Revolution; in fact there were military preparations by both Britain and the United States in case there was a violent reaction in Zanzibar against the Union.
      What the Tanganyika leadership wanted at the time was to play down the whole event. In a cable message of 23 April 1964 to the U.S. Secretary of State, the U.S. Ambassador in Dar es Salaam, William Leonhart, informed:

      Mbwambo, Chief protocol, has just telephoned a personal request ….. that, to the maximum extent, any US public statements on Tangovernment –Zanzibar union be avoided
      . Situation over the next few days in Zanzibar could be very critical and both the Soviet and Chinese reaction is undetermined.

      In an address later to the National Assembly requesting the ratification of the ‘Articles of Union’, Nyerere insisted that the move was inspired by the ideals for an African unity. “Unity in our continent does not have to come via Moscow or Washington”, he insisted.

      Those who were close to the scene at the time also differ as to what type of relationship it is. The U.S. Ambassador in Dar es Salaam, in a cable message to his government on 22nd April, 1964, the day the ‘Articles of Union’ were signed by Karume and Nyerere, stated:
      Like the relationship between Northern Ireland and Britain, the union of Zanzibar and Tanganyika gave the island limited regional administrative autonomy … but ensured overall power … was held by the centre at Dar es Salaam”. [QUOTE]But Frank Calucci, reporting from Zanzibar the next day, said that Karume was “still under the impression that he is agreeing to a federation of two autonomous states, not a centralised union envisaged under the present articles”. Attwood, the U.S. Ambassador in Kenya at the time, says he was informed by Dustan Omari, Nyerere’s Permanent Secretary then, “that the major power would rest in the centre … but that Zanzibar would retain its own internal governmental affairs”[/QUOTE]

      ‘Articles of Union’ provide for matters that would be under the Union arrangement. From the original 11 items in 1964, the list has now expanded to 23. Some people question the validity of such an expansion, though one must admit that there was nothing that was added into the list unconstitutionally.

      The ‘Articles of Union’ also provide for the existence of two governments: One for the whole Untied Republic for all Union matters and for non-Union matters in Tanganyika, which, under the 1977 Union Constitution is referred to as Tanzania Mainland, and one for Zanzibar in all matters that are non-Union. According to Nyerere, Karume wanted a total union, but he (Nyerere) cautioned against it, saying that such a move might be construed by Zanzibaris and others as meaning that Zanzibar had been swallowed up, annexed, incorporated into or taken over by Tanganyika. He insisted that Zanzibar’s identity must be maintained.
      There is no way one can construe the ‘Article of Union’ as a basis for a federal set-up. Nor can they be seen as an interim arrangement towards a one government. They intended to create a single state with two authorities, but with one of those authorities having a limited geographical jurisdiction.

      The intention was to retain the identity of the smaller unit. By this event, Tanganyika has not been lost; in fact it has been enlarged. Even if it is accepted that the Union was a Western conspiracy against the Zanzibar Revolution, the effect of the intention was to deny Zanzibar the capacity to be an international actor, not to interfere with what was happening inside the country. To be able to change the internal course of events would have entailed changing the regime. What might have confounded some of the law experts looking at the relationship between Zanzibar and Mainland Tanzania was the fact that no such example existed in the Anglo-Saxon legal system. The closest they could think of then was that of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland.

      The Consolidation of the Union: Popular Approval of the ‘Swallowing Up’
      At the time of the Union Zanzibar and Tanganyika were ruled by different political parties, ASP and TANU respectively. The ‘Articles of Union’ did not require the formation of a single political party for the whole United Republic. Thus in the period 1964-1977 each party operated within its own geographical area, though at the approach of every general election, the two parties held a joint congress where they nominated a join presidential candidate for the elections.

      Only in 1977, after a national survey of members of both parties, did the two parties merge to form the Chama cha Mapinduzi (CCM) with authority over the whole country. But why did Zanzibaris agree to such a merger? Nyerere had always expressed surprise when recalling the radiant faces he saw and the jovial mood of the Zanzibaris the day CCM was proclaimed at the Amaan Stadium in Zanzibar. The fact is that Zanzibaris were celebrating not only the birth of CCM but also the demise of ASP.
      One matter that was added in 1984 to the list of Union items was that of national security. This happened at the time when Ali Hassan Mwinyi was President and Seif Shariff Hamad the Chief Minister of Zanzibar in 1984-85, commonly known as the Third Phase Government. Not having much confidence in the security personnel they inherited, who might have had personal allegiance to Jumbe and Seif Bakari, the new Administration sought the extension of the National Security Act of the Mainland to Zanzibar. In that case it was possible to transfer the security personnel in Zanzibar to the Mainland and vice versa.


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      Default Re: Muungano na kero zake: Vol. 1

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      Natamani kulia. Nachukia sana uzanzibari na uzanzibara. Let zanzibar iwe mkoa.
      Pinda alishawahi kuota Zanzibar ikiwa mkoa...sisi huku tunasema hizo ni ndoto za Ali Nacha.

      Ndio kwanza tunakula mseto wetu kwanza, halafu tunatroti na kuvuta pumzi.Tukiibuka tena, Maalim Abuu anadai "sasa sisi hatuna uwezo wa kuwaamulia wazanzibari kama wanataka muungano...ni vyema tukawauliza kwa kura ya maoni kama Agizo la Butiama linavyosema"....wewe mchezo mtamu huu :D

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      Default Tanganyika na Zanzibar zitaweza kutatua kero kweli?



      Wengi wamekuwa wakitoa mifano ya miungano kudumishwa, USA, UK, EU.Sawa hawa watu wameweza kutafuta ufumbuzi wa kero za miungano yao hadi wakaweza.Lakini tusisahau wenzetu hali zao na maendeleo wamepiga hatua, hawakuweza kufanya hivyo wakati walivyokuwa kwenye hatua ya kimaendeleo ambayo tupo sisi.

      Sasa ikiwa mdau mkuu wa muungano(Tanganyika) hali yali ya wananchi wake wenyewe ndio hiyo.Hii ni hali ambayo inasimamiwa na SMT, wananchi wake maji wanakimbia km kadhaa kupata maji ya kutumia nyumbani.Kweli tunaweza kumshauru mdau wa pili ambae ni mwananchi wa Zanzibar chini ya SMZ avunje serekali yake na ajiunge na SMT?

      Hii ndoto ya Pinda ina uhalisia wowote na hali iliopo katika nchi yetu?Maana kuwashauri wazanzibari watupilie mbali serekali yao kudumisha muungano, ni sawa na kuwaambia wajiongezee umasikini badala ya huo walionao.

      Ningeliwaomba wana JF mukatafakari kuwa tunayo mambo mengi ya kutatua katika jamii zetu na kutatua complexity ya muungano sio jambo lenye priority.Hii ndio sababu ya msingi ambapo serekali ya JK na zilizopita zimeshindwa kurekebisha.Sasa na tutafute suluhisho jengine, ambalo mie naona ni kuvunja tuu huu muungano. :D
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      Default Re: Ni muda muafaka kupeleka hoja ya kuwa na serikali ya Tanganyika.

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      not a bad idea at all considering the zanzibaris seems to want to part away with us may b its time to give the idea a serious thought afterall there is nothing major that we will loose by parting away with the plonkers(zanzibaris)
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      Default re: Kero za Muungano na utatuzi wake - Sehemu ya Pili

      Kiilivyo serekali ya Tanganyika ipo, ni siasa tuu kusema haipo.Kama mutakubali kuna mambo ya muungano na mambo yasiyo ya muungano...basi tayari kinadharia serekali ya Tanganyika ipo.

      Ushauri mzuri kudai serekali yenu ya Tanganyika ambayo mulinyimwa kwa muda mrefu...mimi kama mzanzibari (binafsi not representing anyone), nimeshajitolea maisha yangu kupinga muungano na kudai taifa langu lijinasue na muungano.

      Naamini kama napigania uhuru...na amini usiamini siko peke yangu...kuna MUWAZA, JUMIKI, ajenda za siri za viongozi wa CUF kutoka Zanzibar na wananchi wengi tuu wa Zanzibar wameanza kuhamasika na kusimama kutetea haki zao dhidi ya muungano.

      Hivyo wazo la kurudishwa Tanganyika litaungwa mkono 100% kutoka visiwani.
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      Default Mzanzibari wa kawaida na Muungano

      Nilikutana na hii katika mtandao..........

      [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTSo5Rb0F3M[/ame]

      Hivi ni kweli Tanganyika imeikandamiza Zanzibar?

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      Hivi hao wafanyabiashara wawili ndiyo wanaozungumza kwa niaba ya wazanzibari? Mbona kwa watu wa kawaida mkazo ni kwenye kupunjwa msaada na sio kunyimwa soko? Na kwa hao mabinti, wanaamini kweli Zanziba ikiwa huru watavruhusiwa kuvaa bukta? Waende Pemba wakaone Zanzibar yao itakuwaje! Huoni nywele ya binti huko. Wale wapemba hivi hawaoni wanavyonyimwa nafasi katika serikali ya mapinduzi ila wanaona ya bara tu? Bara ambako mwana wao alipata uwaziri mkuu na angeukwaa urais kama wazanizbari wenzake wasingemtilia fitna. Lakini in all fairness, kwa nini asiende huko Tanganyika na kuwauliza watu wa kawaida na kuona wangapi wanautaka huo Muungano? Au yeye hana haki ya kusikilizwa kwa vile ni mtanganyika?

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      Hivi hao wafanyabiashara wawili ndiyo wanaozungumza kwa niaba ya wazanzibari? Mbona kwa watu wa kawaida mkazo ni kwenye kupunjwa msaada na sio kunyimwa soko? Na kwa hao mabinti, wanaamini kweli Zanziba ikiwa huru watavruhusiwa kuvaa bukta? Waende Pemba wakaone Zanzibar yao itakuwaje! Huoni nywele ya binti huko. Wale wapemba hivi hawaoni wanavyonyimwa nafasi katika serikali ya mapinduzi ila wanaona ya bara tu? Bara ambako mwana wao alipata uwaziri mkuu na angeukwaa urais kama wazanizbari wenzake wasingemtilia fitna. Lakini in all fairness, kwa nini asiende huko Tanganyika na kuwauliza watu wa kawaida na kuona wangapi wanautaka huo Muungano? Au yeye hana haki ya kusikilizwa kwa vile ni mtanganyika?

      Amandla.......
      Unaongelea very minor issues, kuonekana nywele za msichana etc so what? ndio maendeleo mliyopeka huko watu kukaa uchi

      kwanini mambo ya muungano yaanze 11 yaongezeke bila kuuliza wananchi?
      " Fear and Surrender are not the options for me"

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      Hawa jamaa (Wazenj) wanaupenda sana Muungano, asikudanganye mtu! Udumu Muungano wetu, tuufanyie marekebisho kama yapo ili kuuimarisha zaidi!
      "Chama cha Mapinduzi chenye wanachama wenye akili, na ukweli, na ujasiri, katu hakiwezi kukubali SERA YA SERIKALI TATU, kikijua wazi wazi kwamba matokeo na shabaha ya sera hiyo ni kuiua, na kuizika Tanzania. Chama cha Mapinduzi kikiwa na msimamo huo, na wala kisiuonee haya, Tanzania itadumu." Mwalimu J. K. Nyerere, "Uongozi Wetu na Hatima yaTanzania," Uk. 61.

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      Hawa jamaa (Wazenj) wanaupenda sana Muungano, asikudanganye mtu! Udumu Muungano wetu, tuufanyie marekebisho kama yapo ili kuuimarisha zaidi!
      Wanaohangaika nao ni kina msekwa, makamba, nyerere, et.al, lakini wazenj wenyewe wala hawana habari nao!

      Hapo utajua nani anaupenda zaidi muungano?
      " Fear and Surrender are not the options for me"

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      nyerere, et.al,

      Hapo utajua nani anaupenda zaidi muungano?
      Unamzungumzia Makongoro Nyerere au Nyerere yupi anayeshughulikia Muungano?
      "Chama cha Mapinduzi chenye wanachama wenye akili, na ukweli, na ujasiri, katu hakiwezi kukubali SERA YA SERIKALI TATU, kikijua wazi wazi kwamba matokeo na shabaha ya sera hiyo ni kuiua, na kuizika Tanzania. Chama cha Mapinduzi kikiwa na msimamo huo, na wala kisiuonee haya, Tanzania itadumu." Mwalimu J. K. Nyerere, "Uongozi Wetu na Hatima yaTanzania," Uk. 61.

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      Unamzungumzia Makongoro Nyerere au Nyerere yupi anayeshughulikia Muungano?
      Mwanzilishi babake makongoro
      " Fear and Surrender are not the options for me"

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      Mwanzilishi babake makongoro
      Kumbe bado JK Nyerere anaushughulikia Muungano akisaidiana na Msekwa na Makamba? Mambo ya "Time Machine?" Kaazi kweli kweli!
      "Chama cha Mapinduzi chenye wanachama wenye akili, na ukweli, na ujasiri, katu hakiwezi kukubali SERA YA SERIKALI TATU, kikijua wazi wazi kwamba matokeo na shabaha ya sera hiyo ni kuiua, na kuizika Tanzania. Chama cha Mapinduzi kikiwa na msimamo huo, na wala kisiuonee haya, Tanzania itadumu." Mwalimu J. K. Nyerere, "Uongozi Wetu na Hatima yaTanzania," Uk. 61.

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      Unaongelea very minor issues, kuonekana nywele za msichana etc so what? ndio maendeleo mliyopeka huko watu kukaa uchi

      kwanini mambo ya muungano yaanze 11 yaongezeke bila kuuliza wananchi?
      Umeangalia kweli hiyo video? Angalia binti zako walivyoacha mapaja wazi wakicheza mpira! Kweli mtawaruhusu wafanye hivyo mtakapokuwa huru? Mimi kwa kujua msimamo wa watu kama wewe ndiyo maana nawashangaa wale mabinti wanapodai wanataka Zanzibar huru ili waweze kuchezea timu yao ya taifa, ya taifa la Zanzibar. Timu ya wanawake ya soka ya Zanzibar! Naona hawajui wanachokiombea.

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      Hivi hao wafanyabiashara wawili ndiyo wanaozungumza kwa niaba ya wazanzibari? Mbona kwa watu wa kawaida mkazo ni kwenye kupunjwa msaada na sio kunyimwa soko? Na kwa hao mabinti, wanaamini kweli Zanziba ikiwa huru watavruhusiwa kuvaa bukta? Waende Pemba wakaone Zanzibar yao itakuwaje! Huoni nywele ya binti huko. Wale wapemba hivi hawaoni wanavyonyimwa nafasi katika serikali ya mapinduzi ila wanaona ya bara tu? Bara ambako mwana wao alipata uwaziri mkuu na angeukwaa urais kama wazanizbari wenzake wasingemtilia fitna. Lakini in all fairness, kwa nini asiende huko Tanganyika na kuwauliza watu wa kawaida na kuona wangapi wanautaka huo Muungano? Au yeye hana haki ya kusikilizwa kwa vile ni mtanganyika?

      Amandla.......
      kweli muungano unakandamiza wa zanzibari...kabla ya muungano zanzibar ilikua mbali sana kimaendeleo kulinganisha na bara. hata nyerere alishakopeshwa hela za kuwalipa mishahara ya wafanyakazi bara.
      sasa hivi kila kitu kinaamuliwa bara na wazanzibari vibaraka wa ccm wana endelea kuihujumu nchi yao,kwa maslahi ya ccm na tanganyika.
      sio siri asilimia 95% ya wazanzibar hawataki huu muungano. na vile vile asilimia
      isiyopungua 80 ya watanganyika hawautaki huu muungano. kuna kundi la watu
      fulani hasa wana ccm wa bara ndio wanaulazimsha huu muungano. lakini siku ccm ikishindwa katika uchaguzi basi ndio mwisho wa muungano. and i hope it will happen soon rather than later. kila upande uangalie mpango wake.

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      Umeangalia kweli hiyo video? Angalia binti zako walivyoacha mapaja wazi wakicheza mpira! Kweli mtawaruhusu wafanye hivyo mtakapokuwa huru? Mimi kwa kujua msimamo wa watu kama wewe ndiyo maana nawashangaa wale mabinti wanapodai wanataka Zanzibar huru ili waweze kuchezea timu yao ya taifa, ya taifa la Zanzibar. Timu ya wanawake ya soka ya Zanzibar! Naona hawajui wanachokiombea.

      Amandla....
      Unafikiri kucheza na kuonyesha mapaja ndio maendeleo? unaweza kucheza huku ukiwa umejisitiri

      Wataruhusiwa kufanya chochote ndani ya adabu za jamii ya wanzanzibar na si vinginevyo, unafikiri wanafanya hivyo kwasababu ya muungano?

      Wazanzibar waachwe wenyewe na mambo yao, na muungano upigiwe refr. viongozi washughulikie matatizo ya watu kuliko muungano usio na kichwa wala miguu wht we want ni maji shinyanga, ruvuma na loliondo period!

      Muungano unachukua a lot of time, space and resources kama vile ni kitu ambacho kina tija kubwa kuliko vingine? why?
      " Fear and Surrender are not the options for me"

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      Unafikiri kucheza na kuonyesha mapaja ndio maendeleo? unaweza kucheza huku ukiwa umejisitiri

      Wataruhusiwa kufanya chochote ndani ya adabu za jamii ya wanzanzibar na si vinginevyo, unafikiri wanafanya hivyo kwasababu ya muungano?

      Wazanzibar waachwe wenyewe na mambo yao, na muungano upigiwe refr. viongozi washughulikie matatizo ya watu kuliko muungano usio na kichwa wala miguu wht we want ni maji shinyanga, ruvuma na loliondo period!

      Muungano unachukua a lot of time, space and resources kama vile ni kitu ambacho kina tija kubwa kuliko vingine? why?
      Swali langu bado ni pale pale. Unadhani wataruhusiwa kucheza katika mechi za kitaifa wakiwa wamevaa hayo mavazi ya kujisetiri? Umeona nani anyeceza mpira huku amevaa burqa? Huu ni mfano wa jinsi wengi wanalilia kitu wasichokijua.

      Ndiyo wana uwezo wa kuvaa bukta kwa sababu ya Muungano. Wakibaki wenyewe hawataruhusiwa.

      Maji Shinyanga, Ruvuma na Loliondo yana sehemu zake za kujadiliwa.

      Amandla......
      Fundi Utumbo

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      Swali langu bado ni pale pale. Unadhani wataruhusiwa kucheza katika mechi za kitaifa wakiwa wamevaa hayo mavazi ya kujisetiri? Umeona nani anyeceza mpira huku amevaa burqa? Huu ni mfano wa jinsi wengi wanalilia kitu wasichokijua.

      Ndiyo wana uwezo wa kuvaa bukta kwa sababu ya Muungano. Wakibaki wenyewe hawataruhusiwa.

      Maji Shinyanga, Ruvuma na Loliondo yana sehemu zake za kujadiliwa.

      Amandla......
      Kwa hiyo muungano ni kwa ajili ya kucheza mpira huku wanaonyesha mapaja? ndio hasa kinachokufanya ung'ang'anie muungano?

      Ndio tuseme umewaonea huruma sana na wanahitaji kucheza kwa kuonyesha mapaja?

      Jibu la swali lako ni ndiyo wataruhusiwa kwa mujibu adabu za mzanzibar period! na burqa siyo vazi pekee la kiislam ni mengi na kuna different shool of thoughts kila mtu anachagua atakavyo..
      " Fear and Surrender are not the options for me"

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      Default NEC/SMT/Butiama ziko wapi?

      Inasikitisha kuona SMZ inaomba kwa wahisani, wakati Bara ambao tumewaona viongozi mashuhuri kusafiri na kwenda Zanzibar kujadili GNU na kushikilia agizo la Butiama wamekaa kimya.

      Huu ni ushahidi tosha kuwa shida na dhiki wanayopata watu wa Zanzibar, basi uongozi wa CCM Bara hauwahusu.Tumekuwa tukishuhudia vyombo vya habari na viongozi wa ngazi za juu (Msekwa, Chilingati, Makamba na wengineo) wakiwa bizzi kweli kweli kushughulikia "maridhiano/GNU"....lakini hili la wanyonge kupata taabu ya umeme na maji, hata haliwahusu

      Ama kweli ndugu wa kweli unamjua kwenye dhiki na shida

      SMZ yaomba msaada wa majenereta

      Na Mwinyi Sadallah

      Serikali ya Mapinduzi ya Zanzibar (SMZ), imeamua kuwaomba msaada wahisani wa majenereta ya kufua umeme baada ya kuwa katika giza kuanzia Disemba 10, mwaka jana.

      Tamko hilo limetolewa na Waziri Kiongozi, Shamsi Vuai Nahodha, wakati akifunga kikao cha Baraza la Wawakilishi, mjini hapa.

      Alisema tayari serikali imeshawasiliana na wahisani na kuwaomba msaada utakaowezesha kununua majanereta ya kuzalisha umeme wa akiba na kuondoa tatizo linaloikabili Zanzibar.

      Sekta za kiuchumi zimeathirika vibaya ikiwemo viwanda kufungwa na miradi ya wajasiriamali kusita huku wawekezaji katika sekta ya utalii gharama za uendeshaji zikiwa zimeongezeka kwa zaidi ya asilimia 100, tangu Zanzibar ikose umeme.

      Alisema tayari mataifa matatu yamekubali kusaidia tatizo hilo ikiwemo Serikali ya Uingereza, Norway na Sweden.

      Hata hivyo, Waziri Kiongozi hakueleza msaada huo wa majenareta utafika lini mjini Zanzibar lakini alisema Serikali inaendelea na mchakato wa kuwa na vyanzo vingine vya umeme, ikiwemo umeme wa kuzalisha kwa kutumia nguvu za nyuklia, upepo na jua.

      Kuhusu njia mpya ya umeme kutoka Tanzania bara alisema kimsingi Serikali ya Marekani imekubali kufadhili mradi huo na unatarajia kugharimu dola za marekani milioni 63.2.

      Alisema mradi huo ujenzi wa njia ya umeme utakuwa na uwezo wa kupokea megawati 100 tofauti na njia ya sasa ambayo imechakaa na kumaliza muda wake wa matumizi ulikuwa na uwezo wa kupokea megawati 45.

      Hata hivyo, huduma hiyo imetoweka baada ya kifaa kinachopokea umeme na kutawanya katika kituo cha Fumba kulipuka na kulazimika Serikali kuagiza wataalamu kutoka nje ya nchi.

      Waziri wa Nchi Afisi ya Rais (Fedha na Uchumi), Mwinyihaji Makame Mwadini, amewaeleza wajumbe wa Baraza la Wawakilishi asilimia 30 ya mapato ya Serikali yataathirika kufuatia kukosekana kwa huduma hiyo visiwani.

      Shirika la umeme Zanzibar limesema limekuwa likipata hasara ya shilingi bilioni mbili kila mwezi kama mapato kutoka kwa watumiaji.

      Hivi karibuni Waziri Mkuu Tanzania Mizengo Pinda amelieleza Bunge kuwa tayari amepokea barua kutoka kwa Waziri Kiongozi Shamsi Vuai Nahodha kuhusiana na tatizo hilo na kumuagiza Waziri wa Fedha wa Serikali ya Muungano kuchukuwa hatua za kusaidia tatizo hilo.

      CHANZO: NIPASHE JUMAPILI
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      Nilikutana na hii katika mtandao..........

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTSo5Rb0F3M

      Hivi ni kweli Tanganyika imeikandamiza Zanzibar?
      Umesahau part 1 nami nitaimalizia

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