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      Dear the great thinkers of JF,

      As much as i was suspicious of Hon. Zitto motives on the assigned review process on the Production Sharing Agreements (PSAs)and energy contracts by the Minister of Energy and Minerals (MEM); i was forced to backtrack from my prior stand and right-off any attempts to have anything significant out of this review process when i came across this!

      Before narrating what triggered this sudden retraction of his official statement, as great thinkers of this forum we should first ask ourselves what has happened after the discovery of US$ 33 mio. (unpaid revenues by PanAfrican Energy); a quota meant for TPDC according to PSA? And what happened to the Parliament committee directives to our Government to seek the reimbursement from PanAfrican energy that was supposed to pay its dues anyway?

      Do we have to restart "the process" every time when a new leadership takes over in that ministry, if the objective is not to change or revoke the current contracts that are not in the best interest of our welfare going to this crucial stage of exploiting the proven resources estimated at 33 trillion cubic feet (tcf) of gas and valued over US$ 430 bio.? How about Zitto's cry for a creation of sovereign Wealth fund? Do we have ears to hear? BTW, what about the implementation process of the Bomani committee recommendations?

      Can His Excellency Dr (Honorary)Kikwete look himself in the mirror? BTW; if we had a Bomani committee to look at royalties and other taxes paid by gold mines, and if EWURA oversleeps on its assigned duties, how about having one (independent) to oversee setting up good gas and oil regulatory policies, and to oversee both the agreements and directives set are respected by the gas companies after the policies are in place before things go awry? Do we have to wait till things go sour? To me, that ministry is too big and lacks first; the capacity to properly handle responsibilities that come from both energy and mineral portfolios! If at all we are serious with our future prospects (we and the generations to come) that ministry has to be split into two now.

      Energy sector that is seriously in shambles; needs its own ministry that will oversee power supply, production and revenues of coal, renewable energy sources (like geothermal,solar, biomass, wind) and conventional energy sources like nukes, oil and gas. This has to be serious considered now, especially at this particular time our nation is proven to have over US$ 400 bio. worth of reserves at stake and never had this huge wealth to deal with before!

      On the other hand, the Mineral ministry has to continue to with deal with all non-hydrocarbons mineral prospecting licences (metals and gemstones) among others negotiating contracts and PSAs agreements and without forgetting, overseeing how the mining of non-hydrocarbons minerals are conducted according to regulations in place.

      But, at the same time other ministries (of less importance) can be merged to allow this to happen since the current cabinet is too big and costly to tax-payers to run and its setup is infested with high level bureaucracy that hinders supposed to be swift-delivery on most important issues.

      Second; the ministry lacks the highly sought-after integrity to undertake basic but so vital duties like precisely-protecting our interests while signing PSAs especially with the current regime that is allergic to Transparency!

      Most of our officers there lack accountability and do not hold at heart the interests of this country probably out of the question of kick-backs luring patriotism....

      Once more, We have to quickly remind ourselves that this same graft blighted ministry harbored Nazir Karamagi and William Ngeleja; each of them at his own era and not a single person within the ministry dared to expose their economic atrocities undertakings that could have saved our country from the current situation that prevents our nation to achieve its true and rightly deserving economic potentials out of loss of opportunity due to negligence, revenue loss as a result of pervasive graft and worst enough dilemma on our economic prospects way forward; our sovereignty faces at the moment.

      Though these two are no more at there, we should not sit back and relax and assure ourselves that all is well at that ministry while with the exception of Karamagi and Ngeleja together with Jairo and the old board at TPDC; the old guards are still at large, some even got promoted, a worrisome situation.

      The likes of energy commissioners, mining commissioners (that issue mining blocks permits and mining licences), ministry directors, ministry lawyers et al that are technical savvy and so instrumental to the daily ministry undertakings since are pinnacles on crafting contracts and policies that directly affect us all; but chose to facilitate agreements that right now we are struggling to annul or improve its terms since we disapprove them.

      Out of all these setbacks at the management level of the institution assigned to oversee our newly found hydrocarbons, can we dare to say all his arguments (i mean Zitto's) need to go down the drain since he just sound to have attacked Prof. Muhongo on a mission that has already lost track on citing his latest remarks that contradicted the task he assigned the TPDC board to undertake prior?

      Are we really serious to easily forget the Parliamentary Energy Committee findings and recommendations that sit at Mr Muhongo shelves without a follow up or implementation of its findings and recommendations!? What is the Government of Mr President doing on recovering the funds not issued to our coffers by PanAfrican energy? And what about the hydrocarbon experts at TPDC have to say on commercialization process of this resource?

      IMOHO, we really need to trade carefully since we just have no idea how good are these Multinational Corporations (MNCs) that have for so long proven to be so tricky and best spinners of issues to suit their interests where hydrocarbons have been discovered!

      Before procrastination costs direly our nation in the near future, We need perseverance on the part of a man at the center of golden undertakings to dare and keep his stand firm and NOT someone that can be easily persuaded to change his stand after issuing them on the back of excuses that the media misquoted his public announcement; fun enough his rebuttal came two days late...likewise we need a man that does not compromise but endowed with negotiation skills and capable of reaching consensus albeit knowing there will be so many deadlocks before attaining a WIN-WIN situation.

      Whereas my reasonable doubt lies on the wrong foot under which Mr Muhongo has stepped in on encountering these Mega MNCs; i am convinced to say i withhold the same view on the whole system at the moment that is in shambles. And that includes my holding of mistrusts on the TPDC experts on their lack of focus and seriousness in handling this massive wealth that lies underneath our coastal-land, the immediate off sea and deep in our Economic exclusion zone (EEZ).

      It is out of this vagueness in handling the matter at hand i support Hon. Zitto whistle blowing cum brain storming approach to alert us of the path we are taking towards resource curse society, and i vehemently support his loud approach on the on-goings at the MEM. Without a mistake, TRANSPARENCY should be foremost embraced if we have to achieve anything meaningful going towards setting up a first LNG on our shores.

      Furthermore I would have wanted to hear anything from the NEMC but i am completely ashamed of the fact that the institution is almost dead and to only be reminded of its duties when a replica of the Gulf of Mexico disaster is to happen on our Pristine Coastal waters. So please my dear Tanzanians, Give Hon. Zitto a benefit of doubt and let him do his duties bestowed upon him by our constitution, unfortunately we have no idea how badly we need him and many more others since; his being vocal is just a drop in the ocean if we are to compare to serious debates that are currently underway within Ghana on a similar topic i.e. on how best to exploit their crude there.





      UPDATE 2-Tanzania says will not revoke any oil and gas PSAs

      Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:42pm GMT

      * Energy minister says PSAs will be respected
      * Tanzania drafting a new gas policy
      * East Africa a new hot spot in oil and gas exploration

      By Fumbuka Ng'wanakilala | DAR ES SALAAM, Sept 18 (Reuters)

      Tanzania will not revokeexisting oil and gas contracts, its energy minister said onTuesday, two days after he was widely reported in local mediasaying unfavourable deals would be scrapped.

      East Africa is a new hotspot in hydrocarbon explorationafter substantial deposits of crude oil were found in Uganda in2006 and major gas reserves were discovered in Tanzania andMozambique.

      Some of the world's biggest energy firms jostling for spacein the region are finding themselves negotiating withgovernments that are themselves learning how to negotiate energycontracts.

      Energy and Minerals Minister Sospeter Muhongo confirmed areview of all Production Sharing Agreements that had beenordered but said this was because east Africa's second biggesteconomy was preparing a new gas policy.

      "We are not trying to stop any business. We will not revokeany contract, we will respect all contracts," Muhongo told Reuters.

      There was no immediate reaction from the companies exploringin Tanzania, including Norway's Statoil, Ophir Energy and BG Group, which have all made significantoffshore natural gas discoveries offshore.

      Muhongo said the review was procedural. It was critical, hesaid, officials were familiar with the terms of old contracts toavoid making mistakes as they drew up new deals.

      Earlier this month, the state-run Tanzania PetroleumDevelopment Corporation (TPDC) delayed a licensing round fornine deep-sea oil and gas blocks previously set for this monthuntil a parliamentary vote on a new gas policy in October.

      "Right now as a country, we are in the gas boom and we don'thave gas policy in place. In June, Tanzania - which already uses some of its naturalgas to produce electricity and to power industry - nearlytripled its estimate of recoverable natural gas resources to upto 28.74 trillion cubic feet (tcf) from 10 trillion followingrecent major discoveries. Muhongo said he had been misquoted in Tanzania's local mediaover the weekend.

      "The review of the 26 existing contracts should not frightenanyone," the minister said.

      Recent gas strikes off east Africa's seaboard have led topredictions the region could become the third largest exporterof natural gas on the planet. Muhongo denied Tanzania was looking to shift the goal posts.

      "Our country is reviewing its policy. Is that somethingnew?" he said.

      "We want both the companies that are investing in thecountry and Tanzanians to benefit from the oil and gasprojects."

      The speed with which east African countries like Tanzania adapt to their newfound resources could determine whether theregion lives up to its reputation as the latest great oil andgas frontier, with big implications for global energy flows aswell as regional energy flows.

      "This is completely new business to us. We are learning," Muhongo said.


      Thomson Reuters journalists are subject to an Editorial Handbook which requires fair presentation and disclosure of relevant interests.
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      [QUOTE=Chilli;4674010]Unajua cha kuchekesha ni kwamba pamoja na chuki ya wazi ambayo u/mnayo kwa Zitto, hamna sababu ya msingi ya kutetea chuki yako/yenu.
      Utasikia mara, huyo si mwenzetu tena!, Zitto huyu si yule wa kipindi kile, Msaliti, Anajisikia, na sababu nyingine ambazo ukizichunguza kwa makini utagundua msingi wake ni chuki, majungu, ubaguzi.
      Mkumbo heshima sana, ila baada ya muda utawasikia 'mazuzu' flani wakikuita msaliti kwa sababu umemsapoti ZZK 2015.[/QUOTE]

      So its all about 2015?
      Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

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      Unajua cha kuchekesha ni kwamba pamoja na chuki ya wazi ambayo u/mnayo kwa Zitto, hamna sababu ya msingi ya kutetea chuki yako/yenu.
      Utasikia mara, huyo si mwenzetu tena!, Zitto huyu si yule wa kipindi kile, Msaliti, Anajisikia, na sababu nyingine ambazo ukizichunguza kwa makini utagundua msingi wake ni chuki, majungu, ubaguzi.
      Mkumbo heshima sana, ila baada ya muda utawasikia 'mazuzu' flani wakikuita msaliti kwa sababu umemsapoti ZZK 2015.[/QUOTE]

      So its all about 2015?
      kusoma sana siyo kukomboka kiakili.taifa letu limefika hapa sababu ya ma profesional perperte kama kitila na zitto.hawa majamaa wawili kila mwanacdm makini anajua ni mandumila kuwili.ni vigumu sana mimi kufikiri sawa na hawa jamaa.wasilazimishe tukubaliane na ujinga.hivi nani asiyejua kuwa zk aliunga mkono ununuzi wa mitambo ya kifisadi ya dowans?nani asiyejua zk alipinga chadema kutoka bungeni kuonyesha kwao kutoridhika na mfumo wa uchaguzi tanzania?nani asiyejua kuwa zk amejitenga na viongozi wenzake wa chama?nani asiyejua kuwa zk huwa hashiriki matukio ya kitaifa ya cdm kama zinduzi wa kampeni za uchaguzi mkuu 2010 jangwani,m4c,je ukaribu wa zk na r.aziz na jack zoka je?siasa si uadui lakini kuunga mkono unafiki wa zitto yakupasa uwe na akili ya maiti.hawa wote wametumwa kazi maalum chadema.tulishawastukia.

      mimi nimezipenda baadhi ya hizi hoja. Lakini simuelewi Mkumbo anaposema fikra tofauti sio tatizo. Fikra tofauti ndizo hujenga itikadi tofauti. nimuulize swali moja, ni kwa nn yeye yupo CDM? maana kama fikra tofauti sio hoja basi angekuwa hana chama. angeheshimu zote tu za CCM kulinda na kukumbatia mafisadi na za CDM kuwachukia mafisadi. Watanzania wengi wanaielewa CDM na inachopigania. Ukitoka nje ya msitari tu unaonekana vividly! ndicho kinachomkumba Zitto. Zitto alibahatika sana kuwin confidence za waTZ lakini akatemper nazo, watu wenye akili zao wakabaki midomo wazi. Leo hii hata alete hoja nzuri kiasi gani watu walishamdoubt. Kitila anajua sana kuwa unapomuamini sana mtu na baadaye ukagundua he was not worth it, it becomes almost impossible kurudisha trust kwa kiwango kilekile. WATU HAWAMHATE ZITO ILA WANAMDOUBT HATA ANAPOKUJA NA JAMBO LINALOONEKANA KUWA NI JEMA. reason ya kumdoubt ni history yake na tabia yake ambayo yeye na Mkumbo wanaiita misimamo. Tunasupport fikra na misimamo tofauti lakini ni fikra zile tu na misimamo ile tu sahihi machoni pa wengi waliokubaliana kufuata itikadi fulani.
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      Uwazi gani unaousema wewe wakati waandishi waliambiwa kua hawana uwezo wa kufikiri. Uwazi anaousema Zito sio huo.
      Mkuu Morinyo haujaelewa hoja hapo. ZeMarcopolo anazungumzia Sera ya Ukweli na Uwazi katika utendaji wa Serikali iliyokuwa inanadiwa na Serikali ya awamu ya tatu chini ya BWM.Katika sera hii wengi walitegemea hili analolipigania Zitto la Uwazi katika mikatana ya sekta ya Nishati na Madini lingejitokeza lakini wapi

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      Chintu, usichanganye mambo. Msimamo na fikira ni vitu viwili tofauti kabisa. Kama chama tunapaswa kuwa na msimamo mmoja katika mambo ya msingi, lakini hatupaswi kufanana kifikra. Narudia tena, ni ujinga wa kutisha kutaka Watu wafanane kifikra kwa sababu ni kujaribu kywafanya wasiwe binadamu!
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      Politics has great impact in our daily lives whether negative or positive. Therefore we need to be careful in what Politicians are telling us. This will reduce the negative impacts.

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      WIMBO WA KUTENGANISHA 'WAZO' NA 'MTOA WAZO' NI MTAMU SANA LAKINI SI KWA MASIKIO YOTE WAKATI WOTE NA KWA MAZINGIRA YOTE KWA USAWA ULE ULE

      Siku zote MAWAZO MAPYA(new ideas) huumbwa na mtu na ukweli huu hata rafiki yangu Dr Mkumbo analifahamu vema.

      Sasa kwa kuzingatia mantiki kwamba hata siku moja mawazo mapya kamwe hayana uwezo wala miguu ya kujisimamia yenyewe isipokua ni mpaka awepo mtu mahala mwenye moyo, muda na msukumo wa kulisimamia hilo wazo jipya ndipo lenyewe liweze kufanyiwa kazi na matunda kuweza kuoneka, basi hadi hapo misingi hoyo yote kati ya UJUMU kwa upande mmoja na MUUMBA UJUMBE kwa upande mwingine ni sharti kutazamwa kwa pamoja pindi mtu unapokua serious kufanyia tathmini wazo husika.

      Hivyo basi, Great Thinkers kidogo napata shida wengine mnapojaribu hapa kutusukuma tumini ya kwamba njia pekee na sahihi kwa nyuzi joto za vipimo vyenu ni kule kufanyia tathmini wazo tu (Idea Appraisal) bila kutekeleza nayo tathmini ya muumba ujumbe (Idea Orijinator Appraisal).

      Sote tunakubaliana kwamba, kwa mfano tu, kunapozungumziwa mtu kuibuka na wazo la tuseme kitu 'MPANGO MZURI WA MATUMIZI YA RASILMALI ARDHI' - hadi hapo ujumbe tunao juu ya mambo gani yatakiwa kupewa kipaumbele katika watu husika kuweza kutumia rasilmali hiyo kwa faida zaidi kwao. Nasema hadi hapo huo ndio ujumbe unaotakiwa kujdiliwa.

      Pamoja na yote, itakua ni ajabu ya kihistoria kwa watu wanaojiita Great Thinkers kuhiari tu kuacha kumjadili pia mtoa wazo ili tupate kujua MAZINGIRA ALIMO NA JINSI GANI MAZINGIRA HUSIKA itakua imechangia kushawishi na kuumba mtazamo wake mzima hadi kuzaliwa kwa wazo hapo juu ya matumizi bora ya rasilmali ardhi. Ili kupata kuendana na hoja yangu hapa ni muhmu kutambua ya kwamba wazo la 'MATUMIZI BORA YA RASILMALI ARDHI' itakua ni ile ile ila ufanisi wa utekelezaji wake unatuamuru kwamba kwanza lazima tujiridhishe na mtoa wazo pamoja na mazingira anamotoka ili sasa tunapotengeneza mkakati kuwepo na uumano kati ya na mazingira ambako wazo husika lahitajika kutekelezwa kwa mafanikio.

      Naam, ninachomaanisha hapa ni kwamba wazo hapo juu japo ni maridhawa kweli kweli ila utekelezaji wake katika mazingira halisi ni mpaka upate kwanza jibu kwamba mtoa wazo hilo la 'MPANGO WA MATUMIZI BORA YA ARDHI' ni nani hasa yeye na anatokea wapi ambapo kuna historia gani vile: Ukweli ni kwamba wazo la 'mpango wa matumizi bora ya ardhi' itakua na mantiki tofauti kabisa kwa sisi wa Mbagala ukitulinganisha na wale wenzetu wa ADA Estate Dar es Salaam, nasema japo wazo au ujumbe ni ule ule hapo juu ila utekelezaji wake ni mpaka ujue kwanda undani wa mtoa ujumbe kama anatokea penye ardhi yenye rutuba Sumbawanga au Tukuyu au mtu huyo anatokea Same au Tundra kabisa.

      Sasa kurudi kwenu wenzangu Wakuu TIQO, Pasco, Geza Ulole na a high calibre Educationist, Dr Kitila Mkumbo, ni kwa misingi ya arguements zangu hapo juu ndio maana wengu humu kamwe hatuwezi hata siku moja kuhiari kusamehe kutazama picha ya ndugu yetu 'Zitto and The Transitions from a dependable social justice fighter hadi kuwa mtu asiyeaminika kwa jamii, ndipo kutazama kwetu wazo lake na pengine jinsi gani historia hiyo nyuma yake ilivyochangia kushawishi mtazamo wako katika kuumba ujumbe husika.

      Hadi hapo wakuu naomba sana huu wimbo mtamu wa kumtenganisha wazo na mtoa wazo ueleweke kuwa si jambo ambalo ni sahihi na yenye kipimo sawa kwa mazingira yote hivyo hatuna budi kufikiria kabla hatujajikuta tu kwere chorus bila hata kujiuliza kwamba hicho tunachokiimbi ndicho hasa kina mantiki gani hiyo.

      Nakaribisha wenye mawazo tofauti na ya kwangu waweke hoja zao mezani kwa nini Zitto asihukumiwe na tabia yake ya kutokua a consistent, champion-for-public-good, team-player and a transparent leader himself.

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      Inasikitisha sana kuona jinsi watu wanavyoacha kujadili hoja na kumjadili mtu! Hizi chuki zitatufikisha wapi Watanzania.

      Mchangiaji aliyesema tuna ugonjwa wa kumchukia mtu anayefikiria tofauti has said it all. Watu wako tayari kumpa mtu anayefikiria tofauti na walivyozoea majina mabaya,bila kujali maslahi anayotetea kwa wakati husika.

      Zitto alieleza waziwazi kutokubaliana na approach ya Prof. Muhongo kuhusu review anayofanya. Anachosisitiza ni uwazi katika mikataba hii ili Watanzania wengi waweze kuiona na kutoa michango yao,na hatimaye tuweze kuwa mikataba yenye kuwanufaisha Watanzania.

      Anaenda mbali zaidi kuwa review kufanyika na bodi yenye watu walewale,waliofanya review zilezile ambazo zilifanywa huko nyuma na kutupa mikataba ileile mibovu inayotuumiza,hii approach haina tija kwa sasa!

      Kwa
      nini hamtaki kuamini kuwa kuna watanzania wengine wenye uwezo na elimu kupitia mikataba hii,mnatulazimisha kuwaamini watu wachache ambao walishatuingiza kwenye mikataba mibovu.!

      Lakini viwavi wa chama badala ya kujadili hili,waangaika kumtazama mleta hoja,sijui hajashiriki M4C,mara hayupo ofisini..do you think hayo ndio muhimu kuliko Tanzania yetu?

      Mnahoji nuwepo wake kwenye tume ile ya Bomani iliyofanya review,mlitaka Zitto abadilishe dunia ili msimamo wa serikali ubadilike! Na hili ameshalitolea ufafanuzi kuwa recomendations zote zilizotolewa na tume ya Bomani hakuna nhata moja iliyofanyiwa kazi,bado mnang'ang'ana review..review..give the guy a break!

      Huu unafiki na siasa majitaka ndio unaoturudisha nyuma kila siku watanzania. Mawazo haya haya anayotoa Zitto yangetolewa na "rafiki yenu" mngesoma vizuri kila nukta na kukubali anachosema,lakini limeletwa na "adui",hata hoja na maoni yake sio muhimu,aibu gani hii.

      Huyu ni mtu potential sana kwenye sekta ya madini,mafuta na gesi,badala ya kumpa moyo na kupongeza kazi anayofanya,mnakuja na itikadi zenu chafu zisizotufaa kwa wakati huu. By the time mnamaliza siasa majitaka,mikataba imeshasainiwa,na rasilimali zinaondoka.

      Tuko tayari kukosa kuliko kuwa upande wa mtu anayetetea maslahi ya watanzaniua kwa kuwa hatumpendi. Unfortunately wale mnaowapenda hawana weledi,utaalam wala elimu katika sekta hii zaidi ya siasa pendwa za kujitafutia umaarufu majukwaani.

      Zitto ni msomi aliyebobea katika "Uchumi wa madini mafuta na gesi". Na ndio facts anazotoa zinapimika,hakuna siasa hapa kwa sisi tunaoelewa.

      Mwenye hoja au maoni mbadala juu ya haya anayopigania Zitto na atoe badala ya kuja na itikadi za kichama,hoja za kumjadili mleta hoja badala ya kujadili hoja.!

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      Zito ni sellout nashangaa watu bado wanamuweka katika maono ya kumwona anapigania maslahi ya Watanzania.
      TANESCO hawashindwi kununua mitambo yao Kama kweli Dowans siyo ya JK ataifishe mitambo hiyo kwa sheria ya uhujumu awafilisi RA, EL vile vile awachukulie hatua waliokwapua fedha BOT

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      Quote By Kitila Mkumbo
      Chintu, usichanganye mambo. Msimamo na fikira ni vitu viwili tofauti kabisa. Kama chama tunapaswa kuwa na msimamo mmoja katika mambo ya msingi, lakini hatupaswi kufanana kifikra. Narudia tena, ni ujinga wa kutisha kutaka Watu wafanane kifikra kwa sababu ni kujaribu kywafanya wasiwe binadamu!
      Mkuu Msimamo huja baada ya fikra na msingi wa msimamo ni fikra, Huwezi kuwa na msimamo usiotokana na kushiba kwa fikra unazoziamini, Hivyo sikubaliani na usemi kuwa msimamo na fikra ni vitu viwili tofauti tena unasema KABISA. Naamini Msimamo wa kichama unatokana na kukubaliana katika fikra fulani za msingi. unapochepuka nje ya msimamo wa pamoja maana yake umeamua kuasi fikra fulani zilizowaweka katka msimamo wa kichama. Naomba nieleweke kuwa hilo sio shida, ila shida ni pale ambapo hutoi hoja zenye mashiko na kueleweka. Hivi kulikuwa na hoja gani katika kushauri tununue mitambo ya kitapeli ya DOWANS? najua mtu anaweza kusema mbona tumeshimdwa kesi na tunatakiwa kulipa? Hiyo haiwezi kuwa hoja kwa kuwa yeyote mwenye akili anajua uhuni uliochezwa katika hiyo kesi.

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      Chintu, hakika humo kichwani mwako kuna kitu cha thamani, hakika swala la ndg yetu zitto linawatatiza wanachama walio wengi, sintofahamu zimegubika akili zao hao wanachama, labda nikuulize kaswali kadogo, kwa kuwa ndg yetu zitto haijadhibitika kuwa yy ni divient, afanye nini ili arudishe imani kwa watz wapenda mabadiliko? na nini salama yake ndani ya chama?

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      Judi acha" ukabila" na "ukaskazini"......huwa nasoma thread zako nyingi ila kwa hili unazidi kutuchefua roho sisi tusio wa huko.
      I am a Democratic Figure,Opposer of Non reality Proposers.
      Thanda Similane

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      Wooow woooow wooow Wanaomchafua Zitto mwisho wasiku watakimbia tuu'waendelee kumkomaza kisiasa'#TeamZitto

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      Chintu, hakika humo kichwani mwako kuna kitu cha thamani, hakika swala la ndg yetu zitto linawatatiza wanachama walio wengi, sintofahamu zimegubika akili zao hao wanachama, labda nikuulize kaswali kadogo, kwa kuwa ndg yetu zitto haijadhibitika kuwa yy ni divient, afanye nini ili arudishe imani kwa watz wapenda mabadiliko? na nini salama yake ndani ya chama?
      Sisi tuna imani na zitto!labda wewe ndio huna imani nae sababu either ni mkaskazini , umefanywa msukule bila ya wewe kujijua,au na wewe ni miongoni mwa wasioijua kweli ya nini kinaendelea cdm!
      Kama upo kwenye hilo kundi la tatu basi nakushauri utafute kuijua kweli maana kweli ina tabia yakumuweka mtu huru.
      Lakini kama upo kwenye kundi la kwanza na la pili basi pole yako.
      Kiama chako chaja.

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      Chintu, usichanganye mambo. Msimamo na fikira ni vitu viwili tofauti kabisa. Kama chama tunapaswa kuwa na msimamo mmoja katika mambo ya msingi, lakini hatupaswi kufanana kifikra. Narudia tena, ni ujinga wa kutisha kutaka Watu wafanane kifikra kwa sababu ni kujaribu kywafanya wasiwe binadamu!
      Dr mkumbo nimekuwa nikifatilia mijadala yako mbalimbali,una maono ya mbali sielewi kwanini hujawa katibu mkuu wa cdm.
      your very objective and you have a good mission and vision for the party and national as well.
      Kubishana na hao wavaa vinyago ni kupoteza mda wako.
      Jimbo la kinondoni linakufaa sana japo nasikia unaenda singida ilamba!
      Jimbo linahitaji mtu makini kama wewe .
      Karibu kinondoni.

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      Chintu, usichanganye mambo. Msimamo na fikira ni vitu viwili tofauti kabisa. Kama chama tunapaswa kuwa na msimamo mmoja katika mambo ya msingi, lakini hatupaswi kufanana kifikra. Narudia tena, ni ujinga wa kutisha kutaka Watu wafanane kifikra kwa sababu ni kujaribu kywafanya wasiwe binadamu!
      True 100%

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      [QUOTE=The Planner;4678739][QUOTE=Chilli;4674010]Unajua cha kuchekesha ni kwamba pamoja na chuki ya wazi ambayo u/mnayo kwa Zitto, hamna sababu ya msingi ya kutetea chuki yako/yenu.
      Utasikia mara, huyo si mwenzetu tena!, Zitto huyu si yule wa kipindi kile, Msaliti, Anajisikia, na sababu nyingine ambazo ukizichunguza kwa makini utagundua msingi wake ni chuki, majungu, ubaguzi.
      Mkumbo heshima sana, ila baada ya muda utawasikia 'mazuzu' flani wakikuita msaliti kwa sababu umemsapoti ZZK 2015.[/QUOTE]

      So its all about

      Nashauri waziri wa elimu wa zitto 2015 awe dr kitila mkumbo,anafaa sana .
      Nimekuja kujua ndio sababu kila siku anapanda vyeo pale udsm mala mwenyekiti wa udasa,mala head of education department,saizi tena nasikia kawa dean wa duce college! Jamaa ana akili nyingi sana huyu.

      Nimeamini kweli huwezi kuwa na marafiki werevu ilihali wewe ni mjinga. Mjinga anamfata mjinga mwenzake.

      My take! Acha wafu wawazike wafu wenzao!
      Kitila karibu kinondoni jimbo lipo.wazi,limekosa mtu makini.japo wana ilamba wanakuhitaji pia!

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      Quote By IsayaMwita
      Chintu, hakika humo kichwani mwako kuna kitu cha thamani, hakika swala la ndg yetu zitto linawatatiza wanachama walio wengi, sintofahamu zimegubika akili zao hao wanachama, labda nikuulize kaswali kadogo, kwa kuwa ndg yetu zitto haijadhibitika kuwa yy ni divient, afanye nini ili arudishe imani kwa watz wapenda mabadiliko? na nini salama yake ndani ya chama?
      Ni rahisi sana.
      1) Atolee maelezo controversies zote zilizotuchanganya juu yake. Tuzijadili kiuwazi ili tuone kama tunamdoubt bila sababu au tuna sababu za msingi kumdoubt.

      2) Kulikuwa na taarifa za kiuchunguzi zilizochapishwa na Mwanahalisi juu ya mahusiano tata na watu ambao hutuhumiwa sana na CDM. Ile makala haijawahipata majibu yanayoeleweka kutoka kwa Zitto zaidi ya kulalamika kuingiliwa privacy zake ambayo haitusaidii kutupa ufafanuzi wowote. Aseme basi kama uhusiano ule ulikuwa ni wa kirafiki tu au wa kikazi. Halafu tujadili mantiki ya uhusiano wao. KITAELEWEKA TU.

      3) Mwisho akishindwa kujibu hoja atoke openly na kuomba radhi kwa jinsi alivyotuumiza na kuua matarajio yetu makubwa kwake.

      4) Zitto ajue kuwa hoja nzuri anazozileta sasa hazitamsafisha kamwe, watu wataendelea kudoubt tu because of the SHADOW OF THE PAST. He has to clear that shadow first then aendelee na hoja zake nzuri. TUTAMUAMINI.

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      Quote By WOWOWO
      Mkuu Morinyo haujaelewa hoja hapo. ZeMarcopolo anazungumzia Sera ya Ukweli na Uwazi katika utendaji wa Serikali iliyokuwa inanadiwa na Serikali ya awamu ya tatu chini ya BWM.Katika sera hii wengi walitegemea hili analolipigania Zitto la Uwazi katika mikatana ya sekta ya Nishati na Madini lingejitokeza lakini wapi
      Mkuu nadhani utakubaliana na mimi kua hiyo sera ya ukweli na uwazi ilikua katika maneno tu na si katika matendo. Sisi tunataka sera ya ukweli na uwazi katika matendo na si katika maneno.

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      vipi hii habari?Kwa mwenendo wake ni kwamba sasa ndio anafanya haya rasmi.


      Siri za Zitto nje


      Na Saed Kubenea - Imechapwa 09 December 2009

      Mawasiliano yake yanaswaAponzwa na mwandishi wa habari





      SIRI kubwa kuhusu mwenendo wa Zitto Kabwe (Mb) ndani ya chama chake zimeanikwa mitaani na zinaweza kumzamisha kisiasa, MwanaHALISI sasa linaweza kuripoti.
      Siku nne baada ya Katibu Mkuu wa Chama cha Demokrasia na Maendeleo (CHADEMA), Willibrod Slaa kusema wamenasa taarifa za mawasiliano ya Zitto, baadhi ya taarifa zimepatikana jijini Dar es Salaam.
      Kwa mujibu wa taarifa hizo, Zitto ananukuliwa akiapa kusaidia wagombea uongozi katika vyama vingine; na katika moja ya taarifa ananukuliwa akisema atasaidia David Kafulila kupata ubunge “hata kabla ya akina John Mnyika…”
      Mnyika ni Mkurugenzi wa Mambo ya Nje wa CHADEMA na Kafulila alikuwa Afisa Habari ambaye baada ya kuondolewa wadhifa huo amekimbilia NCCR-Mageuzi. Mnyika anatarajia kugombea ubunge jimbo la Ubungo.
      Naye Zitto amenukuliwa na gazeti la Mwananchi la Jumatatu akilalamika kuwa ameingiliwa katika mawasiliano yake ya baruapepe (e-mail); jambo ambalo Mkurugenzi wa Upelelezi, Robert Manumba, amedakia haraka na kusema Zitto akiwapelekea malalamiko watashughulikia.
      Kwa mujibu wa mpangilio wa taarifa husika, lazima aliyezitoa amepata ufunguo wa baruapepe (password) wa ama Zitto au mwandishi wa habari wa Mwananchi, Denis Msacky.
      Karibu mawasiliano yote ni kati ya Zitto na Msacky juu ya “ushujaa” wa Zitto na jinsi anavyopendwa nje ya chama huku “akichukiwa” na viongozi wake wakuu.
      Katika moja ya mawasiliano, inaonyeshwa kuwa Msacky alimwandikia Zitto akieleza, “Leo hii Mrema (Augustine Lyatonga) anasema anakuheshimu wewe, lakini si Mbowe; hivyo hivyo, Lipumba (Profesa Ibrahim) na James Mbatia wanasema wewe una visheni.”
      Katika mawasiliano hayo ya Jumanne, 1 Desemba 2009, saa 6.45 adhuhuri, Msacky anaonyeshwa kumwambia Zitto pia kuwa, “CCM nao…wanakusifu kwamba pamoja na kwamba unawaliza sana, lakini ni kiongozi shupavu.”
      “Leo hii siasa za CHADEMA zingekuwa zinatisha kama ungekuwa mwenyekiti wa CHADEMA, vijana nchi nzima wangejiunga na chama, uko nao karibu, unaongea nao, una elimu nzuri, unajua mambo, unasoma sana,” imeeleza sehemu ya mawasiliano kutoka kwa Msacky kwenda kwa Zitto.
      Kinacholeta wasiwasi ndani ya CHADEMA kinaweza kuwa lugha inayotumiwa katika mawasiliano hayo. Kwa mfano, katika waraka huohuo, Msacky ananukuliwa akiandika:
      “Wanataka kukumaliza, nami sitakubali mtu ammalize rafiki yangu nikiangalia…wanasema Mbowe hata Mbatia akikaa vema anaweza kumpita kama siasa za kufukuza zitaendelea. Muhimu, usisikilize watu, tulia, urudi tupange tufanye nini? Lakini ukweli ni kwamba sasa wanakuogopa…Mwenyekiti Mtarajiwa…”
      Mawasiliano yanaonyesha kuwa Zitto hakufurahishwa sana na taarifa za Mwananchi kuwa amemsaidia Kafulila magari matatu kwenda Kigoma kufanya kampeni chini ya NCCR-Mageuzi, lakini Msacky anaonyesha kumfariji.
      “Kaka, mimi nimeiona story, haina matatizo zaidi ya kuwafanya akina Mbowe kusitisha mpango mbaya dhidi yako maana wanaanza kuogopa. Hata Mrema Lyatonga amesema kwamba Zitto huwa unamsaidia akiwa na shida. This shows that ur a leader katika opposition, wewe ni mtu wa maridhiano, unakuza upinzani Kigoma,” anaeleza.
      Anasema, “Leo nasikia akina Mnyika wanahaha sana, waambie familia yako wasiingie katika mtego wa kuanza kuhojiwa na akina Kubenea (Saed wa MwanaHALISI), watawachanganya. Wewe usiongee kitu chochote, wabaki wanahaha, lakini for sure you are safe, na hizo kampeni za Mnyika kukuchafua huku akitaja majina ya Kafulila, ataziacha.”
      Akionyesha juhudi za kushawishi, kuliwaza au kufarakanisha, Msacky anaandika, “Katika hili Zitto, mimi niko na wewe, huna kosa ambalo umefanya, na wala usihofu maana wewe utakuwa nguzo ya upinzani Tanzania…Wanakupa majina ya ajabu, wanakuita Mr Dowans, wanatumia akina Halima Mdee kukuchafua katika magazeti…”
      Awali Zitto alikuwa amemwandikia Msacky akisema, “Stori niliyoiona kwenye mwananchi itaniletea matatizo sana.” Hiyo ilikuwa Jumatatu 30 Novemba 2009, saa 5.21 asubuhi. Baruapepe hiyo ilikuwa na kichwa kisemacho: “Muhimu na haraka.”
      Aidha, katika mawasiliano mengine, Zitto anaendelea kuonyesha kutofurahishwa na taarifa juu ya magari matatu kwa safari ya Kafulila.
      Naye anaandika kwa Msacky, “tatizo la stori ni wingi wa magari, itaonekana mimi nina magari mengi na ni fisadi unajua? Hilo ndio tatizo.”
      Saini ya Zitto inatofautiana katika baadhi ya baruapepe. Pengine anaandika “zitto” na kwingine anaandika “Zi.”
      Moja ya mawasiliano ambayo yanazua mashaka yanaonyesha Zitto akikiri kuwa na mawasiliano na waasi nchini Kongo akiandika, “take it from me (niamini), nina contacts nyingi sana Congo na hao rebels (waasi) huwa wananiomba sana ushauri na kutaka kuwaunganisha.”
      Katika moja ya mawasiliano, Msacky anamwonya Zitto kutotumia baruapepe ya “CHADEMA kwa mawasiliano ya siri” na kutaka amwambie mama yake Shida Salum akatae kuongea na waandishi wa habari. “…nasikia Mbowe anataka mama awe akiongea na waandishi, usikubali,” alieleza.
      Zitto alipoulizwa kuhusu taarifa ya Mwananchi kuwa anatembea na barua mfukoni ya kujiuzulu uanachama CHADEMA, alisema “Sina la kusema.”
      Alipong’ang’anizwa kwamba imekuwaje hawezi kuzungumzia suala hilo ambalo ni muhimu kwa mustakabali wake wa kisiasa kwa chama chake, Zitto alisema, “Ni kwa sababu sitaki kuingia katika malumbano na katibu mkuu wangu (Dk. Willibrod Slaa) kwani malumbano hayo hayataijenga CHADEMA.”
      Alipotakiwa kueleza juu ya baruapepe ambazo zinadaiwa kuwa mawasiliano kati yake na Msacky, haraka alijibu, “Sina la kusema.”
      Alipoelezwa umuhimu wa yeye kueleza msimamo wake juu ya baruapepe hizo, Zitto alijibu, “Chochote nitakachosema sasa hivi, kitawachanganya Watanzania.
      “Sitaki malumbano. Hakuna sababu ya kuwachanganya Watanzania. Hiyo haina maana yoyote,” alisema Zitto kwa sauti ya ukali. Zitto alikuwa akiongea kutoka Ujerumani kwa simu Na. +4915222493231.
      MwanaHALISI ilimtafuta Msacky. Baada ya kuita kwa muda mrefu bila kupokelewa, hatimaye aliandika ujumbe “Kaka, niko katika kikao. Tuma ujumbe.”
      Msacky aliulizwa, “Kaka, tumesikia kwamba umetajwa katika sakata la Zitto na chama chake na kwamba wewe ndiye mtibuaji. Je, ni kweli?” Hakujibu ujumbe na alipopigiwa simu ilikuwa inaita hadi kukatika.
      Gazeti lilipowasiliana na Mnyika na kumueleza kwamba amekuwa akitajwa katika ujumbe wa Zitto na Msacky, alikiri kupokea ujumbe huo wa baruapepe uliotoka kwa mtu aliyejitambulisha kuwa ni “Mtanzania mwema.”
      Alisema alipoona ujumbe mmoja unahusu Zitto kushauri Msacky kutochapisha habari za mkutano wake na waandishi wa habari, ndipo aliamua kupeleka ujumbe huo kwa Zitto.
      “Nilimuuliza kuna hiki kitu nimetumiwa. Je, haya ni maandishi yako au kuna mtu ameingilia emaili yako na kujiandikia haya? Hadi leo hii, bado sijapata jibu,” alisema Mnyika kwa sauti ya masikitiko. Alisema yeye hana cha kusema na kuongeza, “labda umuulize Zitto.”
      Alipoulizwa anachukuliaje suala hilo, Mnyika alisema, “Ukiniuliza mimi kwa upande wangu, nilitegemea mambo hayo yangemalizwa katika vikao vya chama na si kwa vyombo vya habari. Lakini kwa hatua ya hivi sasa, nadhani Zitto bado anayo fursa ya kulieleza hili.
      Kwa upande wake, Mwenyekiti wa Taifa wa CHADEMA, Freeman Mbowe alipoulizwa juu ya madai ya kuwapo njama za kuhujumu chama chake zinazofanywa na Msacky kwa kumtumia Zitto, haraka alijibu, “tuna utaratibu wetu wa kushungulikia mambo ndani ya CHADEMA.”
      Alisema, “Sina la kusema. CHADEMA ina utaratibu wake wa kushughulikia mambo yake.”
      Kwa kadri mawasiliano ya Zitto na Msacky yanavyoonyesha na iwapo yatathibitishwa kuwa kweli, jambo ambalo linaanza kuthibitishwa na Zitto kwa kulalamika kuingiliwa kwenye faragha, basi uhusiano wake katika chama utakuwa umepata nyufa.
      Wachunguzi wa siasa za upinzani nchini wanasema kwa hali hii, uwezekano wa Zitto kubaki ndani ya chama chake ni mdogo. “Ama atajiondoa mwenyewe au hatimaye atafukuzwa,” ameeleza mkufunzi wa Chuo Kikuu cha Dar es Salaam.
      Hata hivyo, Zitto amenukuliwa na Mwananchi akisema, “Sitaki kugombana na mtu mimi. Wala msiniweke kwenye kifungo cha siasa. Ni bora niishi huru kuliko katika mateso ya siasa za kipumbavu kabisa. Nitafanya maamuzi ambayo hayajawahi kufikiriwa.”
      Wiki iliyopita Kafulila aliwaambia waandishi wa habari kwamba Zitto atafanya maamuzi makubwa ambayo hawakutegemea.
      SIMPLY THE RADICAL: I can`t wait to see the criminalization of CCM,UWT,Bunch of Policemen/women,and all wanafiki na wachumia tumbo.

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      hakuna kipya kwa zitto,zaidi ya yaliyoandikwa na mwanahalisi.Kijana yupo naive,katongozwa katongozeka,akili imewehuka kabisa.

      Kafikia mahali pabaya sana.Sasa mnyika ni Mbunge na kipindi kifupi kamfunika mbaya, mbowe ni kiongozi wa kambi rasmi ya upinzani Bungeni, dr. Slaa kasimama katika simplicity na ukweli auaminio.Wana CDM wamempa go ahead aitoe CCM kwanza ndipo watu wafikirie gombea urais na si kuharibu kasi ya kuwang`oa CCM just because dogo kaona kuwa kuna uwezekano wa kuchukua nchi ndio anataka kuanza gombania anachokiona kuwa maslahi.
      SIMPLY THE RADICAL: I can`t wait to see the criminalization of CCM,UWT,Bunch of Policemen/women,and all wanafiki na wachumia tumbo.

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      Moja ya matatizo yetu kama nchi na wananchi ni kuchukia watu wanaofikiri tofauti. Tumezoea mazoea; ukiona mtu anaenda tofauti na mazoea tunaanza kumpa majina kibao: kanunuliwa, msaliti, anajipendekeza, hana ushirikiano, n.k.. Lazima tubadilike na kujua kwamba binadamu tu tofauti kimwili, kiakili na kila kitu. Ili tutoke hapa tulipo lazima turuhusu akili zifikirii sawasawa na tena tuhangaike kufikiri kitofautitofauti. Kama tunataka kila mtu afikiri kama sisi ni kuendeleza utamaduni wa kutumia akili za kuazima. Zitto ni miongoni mwa watu wachache hapa nchi aliyeamua kujipambanua na kuamua kufikiri kitofautitofauti. "Kosa" lake ni kwamba ameamua kuacha kufanya mambo kwa mazoea na ameamua kuhangaika kufikiri kitofautitofauti. Zitto analaaniwa kwa kudiriki kwake kuhangaika kufikiri na kuachana na mazoea. Atabambikizwa majina yote ya ovyo kama usaliti, kujipendekeza, n.k. Tunamtia moyo aendelee kuhangaika kufikiri, wapo watakaomuelewa.
      Dr KITILA nakuheshimu sana lakini sikubaliana na hoja yako sababu tunaomlalamikia ZITO tumekuwa tukitoa hoja nyingi mimi nadhani kufikira kitofauti si kitu kibaya na utagundua watu hawana tatizo nalo tatizo ni yeye kuishi kunafiki na kushindwa kushiriki operation za kichama ambazo huhitaji kuwa na Phd kama ili kujua kuwa zinakisaidia chama na zina tija kubwa nadhani pia unashindwa kutambua kuwa sisi wananchi tunahitaji mabadiliko kwa kasi ya ajabu na sio siri CCM wameshindwa kuongoza hii nchi hivyo mtu akiwa anatutumia sisi vijana kama sehemu ya malengo yake ya kupata madaraka hakika HUKUMU yake ipo njia halafu unafikiri kitofauti inatakiwa ufikiri kulingana na mahitaji ya watu waliokuzunguka sasa kama ZITO anafikiri kitofauti halafu anaishia kupata lawama nadhani inatakiwa ajiangalie mara mbili tatizo litakuwa kwako na nyie mnaompa kichwa ndo mnampoteza kabisa...AUNGANE NA WENZIE KUJENGA CHAMA PERIOD.

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