Topic: HATARI: Tanzania President rejects war, Joyce Banda insists whole lake belongs to Malawi

By Nyasa Times Reporter

August 18, 2012 · 4 Comments

Tanzanian President Jakaya Kikwete has categorically denied reports that his country is preparing to go to war with its neighbour, Malawi, because of a dispute over Lake Malawi, where a British- based company is exploring for oil.
Speaking to journalists after a closed discussion with the Malawi President Mrs Joyce Banda in Maputo, Mozambique, the Tanzanian leader said the war mongering comments were coming from overzealous opposition parties in his country who want to score political mileage over the issue.

“I am the Commander of the army. I have not issued any directive to my armed forces for war. So if it did not come from me, it is not true,” said Kikwete.


There have been reports of war by the Tanzanian media that army tanks and forces have been patrolling the Tanzanian side of the lake.

Kikwete said his country has over the years enjoyed good relationship with Malawi and it has no intention to strain it in any way.

Dialogue
The Tanzanian leader who kept on referring to the Malawi President Banda as “my sister” said the two countries will use dialogue to resolve the issue.
The two countries have set up a working committee which will meet on August 20 in Mzuzu city, northern Malawi.
President Banda said she is hopeful that the border issue will be handled “diplomatically”.
She thanked President Kikwete for sparing time to discuss the matter, saying it had raised fears among people living along the lake.
Ownership
President Banda however maintained that the whole lake belongs to Malawi and former Tanzanian leaders including Julius Nyerere and Benjamin Mkapa have both honoured the lake boundaries agreed upon in 1890 and reaffirmed after independence.

“Malawi owns 100 percent of the lake,” she said.

But Banda stressed that her government will continue to engage Tanzania into a diplomatic dialogue to resolve the border dispute amicably.

Since the wrangle began in July following Malawi’s prospecting for oil in Lake Malawi through an international firm, Surestream, there has been speculations of the two countries planning to go to war over who owns the African’s third largest lake.
But President Banda stressed that war between the two countries could never be the solution.
President Kikwete, however, said his government will leave the issue to the working technical committee of the two countries to get to its final conclusion.
Jokes
Meanwhile, during Southern Africa Development Community (SADC) summit in Mozambique, Zambian President Micheal Sata interjected the chairperson’ speech to joke about the border dispute between Malawi and Tanzania.
When opening the summit earlier, Mozambican President Armando Guebuza said the regional bloc will also have to confront a brewing border conflict between Malawi and Tanzania.
But ut Sata saw an opportunity to joke.
“If they start fighting we are going to host the refugees,” he shouted from his seat.
Treaty
Malawi government’s stand on the matter is that Lake Malawi entirely belongs to the country as stipulated in the 1890 Heligoland Treaty, also known as Anglo-German Treaty, signed among the United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland and German concerning territorial interests in Africa.
According to the Malawi government, the Heligoland Treaty was also reinforced by both the 1963 Treaty and Agreement of the Organization of African Union (OAU) and its successor African Union (AU) in 2002 and 2007 that “member states should recognize and accept the borders that were inherited at the time of independence.”
President Kikwete and President Banda: Cordial relationship


President of Malawi and Tanzania with their foreign ministers and diplomats after the meeting in Maputo



Source: nyasatimes

we are ready to defend our sovereignty at any cost," said Committee Chairman, Edward Lowassa (CCM).

Mr Bernard Membe, strongly warned Tanzania’s southern neighbour, Malawi. He ordered an immediate stop to all gas and oil prospecting activities on the portion of Lake Nyasa that falls on the Tanzania side.

Prof Abdallah Safari(CDM), a lawyer and expert in international relations, urged both countries to respect the international laws which show boundaries between countries

Prof Mwesiga Baregu(CDM) warned both countries not to engage in military confrontation. Rather, said the Professor in Political Science and International Relations, the two countries should resolve the dispute diplomatically. “Both countries should not be drawn into military action because the consequence of doing so is very dire not only to Tanzania and Malawi but for the entire Sadc (Southern Africa Development Community) region,” warned Prof Baregu

Source: The citizen

By Bwa'Nchuchu

Nimeipenda zaidi hiyo ya kwenye nukuu.

Ila ni ndivyo hivyo alivyosema yeye mwenyewe?

Not in exact words. Lakini tukiangalia context ya makala iliyoletwa, licha ya kutojua suala aliloulizwa, hicho nilichoandika ndio maana ya alichosema

Kukiwa kuna premise hii :

There have been reports of war by the Tanzania media that army tanks and forces have been patrolling the Tanzanian side of the lake

Na yeye akajibu
I am the Commander of the army. I have not issued any directive to my armed forces for war. So if it did not come from me, it is not true

Anachosema ni kuwa "sijaamuru mchakato wa kwenda vitani uanze, nami pekee ndiye mwenye mamlaka hayo "

Hajasema chochote kuhusu hali ya jeshi letu wala matayarisho yake. Ni kuwa hajatoa amri, kwa hiyo mchakato wa kwenda vitani hauwezi kuwa umeanza

Kwa maana hiyo hiyo, hajapingana hata kidogo na kauli za kina Lowasa, Membe na Sita

By Gaijin

JK hajakanusha kauli za hao uliowataja. Alichosema ni kuwa "Tanzania haipo katika mchakato wa kwenda vitani"

''Tanzanian President Jakaya Kikwete has categorically denied reports that his country is preparing to go to war with its neighbour, Malawi.
The Tanzanian leader said the war mongering comments were coming from overzealous opposition parties in his country who want to score political mileage over the issue"

Sikumbuki kiongozi yoyote wa upinzani aliyeongelea kuhusu utayari wa kwenda vitani.

Ninachokumbuka ni EL,Sitta na Membe waliosema kauli zilizoashiria utayari wa vita. Kwa mantiki hiyo kauli ya 'war mongering comments' iliwalenga watajwa.
Ukichanganya na "categorically denied' kimantiki ni kukanusha


War mongering (A person who fosters war like ideas or who advocates or attemps to stir war)
In this context EL, Sitta and Membe are implicated with war mongering.
Mr President categorically denied their 'war mongering..'

By Nguruvi3

''Tanzanian President Jakaya Kikwete has categorically denied reports that his country is preparing to go to war with its neighbour, Malawi.
The Tanzanian leader said the war mongering comments were coming from overzealous opposition parties in his country who want to score political mileage over the issue"

Sikumbuki kiongozi yoyote wa upinzani aliyeongelea kuhusu utayari wa kwenda vitani.

Ninachokumbuka ni EL,Sitta na Membe waliosema kauli zilizoashiria utayari wa vita. Kwa mantiki hiyo kauli ya 'war mongering comments' iliwalenga watajwa.
Ukichanganya na "categorically denied' kimantiki ni kukanusha

In this context EL, Sitta and Membe are implicated with war mongering.
Mr President categorically denied their 'war mongering..'

Hapa kuna mambo mawili

1. La Kikwete kusema Tanzania haipo kwenye mchakato wa kwenda vitani, ambalo limekuwa supported kwa nukuu ya moja kwa moja ya maneno yake

2. La Kikwete kusema wapinzani ndio wanaotaka vita, ambalo halijawa supported na nukuu ya moja kwa moja ikimaanisha hatujui amesema vipi


Mimi nilijikita kwenye kauli ya kwanza ambapo JK specifically amesema "hajaamuru Tanzania ianze mchakato wa vita"

Hapa hapingani na Lowassa wala Membe kwa sababu yeye pekee ndiye mwenye mamlaka ya kuamuru kuanza kwa mchakato wa kwenda vitani.

Pia, hajasema kuwa iwapo vita ni option au la kwa siku zijazo.

Kwa maana hiyo Kikwete hajapingana na kina Lowassa na Membe kwa vile hao wawili hawakusema kuwa Tanzania sasa ipo kwenye matayarisho ya kupigana na Malawi na Kikwete hajakataa kuwa vita ni option kwa siku za usoni kama walivyopendekeza kina Membe na Lowassa. (Hii ni kwa mujibu wa makala hii iliyowasilishwa)


Lowassa, Membe na Sitta wamezungumzia utayari wa vita lakini hawajasema kuwa sasa Tanzania inajitayarisha kuingia kwenye vita. Hivyo ni vitu viwili tofauti

NB
President Kikwete categorically denied that his country is preparing for war. nothing else.

Kauli ya Rais Kikwete ni ya kistrategia,(strategic statement).,coz pamoja na kusema hivyo,nina uhakika majeshi yako alert na yako busy kucollect information on Malawi strength on war and capability, its a deception plan ili wajue hakuna vita,siku watakapo chapwa,wapigwe kama idd amin alivyopigwa,i like kikwete on this.Na huyu ndo amri jeshi mkuu anaetakiwa,sio akina flani wakurupukaji tu.

We need support our president for our nation ... !!!

By Gaijin

Not in exact words. Lakini tukiangalia context ya makala iliyoletwa, licha ya kutojua suala aliloulizwa, hicho nilichoandika ndio maana ya alichosema

Kukiwa kuna premise hii :

There have been reports of war by the Tanzania media that army tanks and forces have been patrolling the Tanzanian side of the lake

Na yeye akajibu
I am the Commander of the army. I have not issued any directive to my armed forces for war. So if it did not come from me, it is not true

Anachosema ni kuwa "sijaamuru mchakato wa kwenda vitani uanze, nami pekee ndiye mwenye mamlaka hayo "

Hajasema chochote kuhusu hali ya jeshi letu wala matayarisho yake. Ni kuwa hajatoa amri, kwa hiyo mchakato wa kwenda vitani hauwezi kuwa umeanza
Kwa maana hiyo hiyo, hajapingana hata kidogo na kauli za kina Lowasa, Membe na Sita

Kwani JK aliulizwa swali ama alitoa statement?Na aliposema nchi yake haiko kwenye mchakato wa kwenda vitani alikuwa akimjibu nani?ama alikuwa aki "rebbuttal" statement gani?ukitaka kujuwa context uweke hayo maanani.Na kama alikuwa akiwajibu kina EL,then inabidi urevisit walichokisema,then uangalie kama majibu hayo yanaendana.Kwanza yuko confused kama vile hajui nani aliyasema hayo maneno,ama kwa kuwa misled ama kwa makusudi kudanganya.

By Dr. Kupeng'e

By Nyasa Times Reporter

August 18, 2012 · 4 Comments

Tanzanian President Jakaya Kikwete has categorically denied reports that his country is preparing to go to war with its neighbour, Malawi, because of a dispute over Lake Malawi, where a British- based company is exploring for oil.
Speaking to journalists after a closed discussion with the Malawi President Mrs Joyce Banda in Maputo, Mozambique, the Tanzanian leader said the war mongering comments were coming from overzealous opposition parties in his country who want to score political mileage over the issue.

“I am the Commander of the army. I have not issued any directive to my armed forces for war. So if it did not come from me, it is not true,” said Kikwete.


There have been reports of war by the Tanzanian media that army tanks and forces have been patrolling the Tanzanian side of the lake.

Kikwete said his country has over the years enjoyed good relationship with Malawi and it has no intention to strain it in any way.

Dialogue
The Tanzanian leader who kept on referring to the Malawi President Banda as “my sister” said the two countries will use dialogue to resolve the issue.
The two countries have set up a working committee which will meet on August 20 in Mzuzu city, northern Malawi.
President Banda said she is hopeful that the border issue will be handled “diplomatically”.
She thanked President Kikwete for sparing time to discuss the matter, saying it had raised fears among people living along the lake.
Ownership
President Banda however maintained that the whole lake belongs to Malawi and former Tanzanian leaders including Julius Nyerere and Benjamin Mkapa have both honoured the lake boundaries agreed upon in 1890 and reaffirmed after independence.

“Malawi owns 100 percent of the lake,” she said.

But Banda stressed that her government will continue to engage Tanzania into a diplomatic dialogue to resolve the border dispute amicably.

Since the wrangle began in July following Malawi’s prospecting for oil in Lake Malawi through an international firm, Surestream, there has been speculations of the two countries planning to go to war over who owns the African’s third largest lake.
But President Banda stressed that war between the two countries could never be the solution.
President Kikwete, however, said his government will leave the issue to the working technical committee of the two countries to get to its final conclusion.
Jokes
Meanwhile, during Southern Africa Development Community (SADC) summit in Mozambique, Zambian President Micheal Sata interjected the chairperson’ speech to joke about the border dispute between Malawi and Tanzania.
When opening the summit earlier, Mozambican President Armando Guebuza said the regional bloc will also have to confront a brewing border conflict between Malawi and Tanzania.
But ut Sata saw an opportunity to joke.
“If they start fighting we are going to host the refugees,” he shouted from his seat.
Treaty
Malawi government’s stand on the matter is that Lake Malawi entirely belongs to the country as stipulated in the 1890 Heligoland Treaty, also known as Anglo-German Treaty, signed among the United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland and German concerning territorial interests in Africa.
According to the Malawi government, the Heligoland Treaty was also reinforced by both the 1963 Treaty and Agreement of the Organization of African Union (OAU) and its successor African Union (AU) in 2002 and 2007 that “member states should recognize and accept the borders that were inherited at the time of independence.”
President Kikwete and President Banda: Cordial relationship


President of Malawi and Tanzania with their foreign ministers and diplomats after the meeting in Maputo



Source: nyasatimes

we are ready to defend our sovereignty at any cost," said Committee Chairman, Edward Lowassa (CCM).

Mr Bernard Membe, strongly warned Tanzania’s southern neighbour, Malawi. He ordered an immediate stop to all gas and oil prospecting activities on the portion of Lake Nyasa that falls on the Tanzania side.

Prof Abdallah Safari(CDM), a lawyer and expert in international relations, urged both countries to respect the international laws which show boundaries between countries

Prof Mwesiga Baregu(CDM) warned both countries not to engage in military confrontation. Rather, said the Professor in Political Science and International Relations, the two countries should resolve the dispute diplomatically. “Both countries should not be drawn into military action because the consequence of doing so is very dire not only to Tanzania and Malawi but for the entire Sadc (Southern Africa Development Community) region,” warned Prof Baregu

Source: The citizen

Me naona mgogoro huu unataka kutumiwa na huyu mama kama mtaji wa kisiasa ili achaguliwe kuwa rais kamili wa malawi. Hivyo anaweza akachelewesha maridhiano kwa mkausudi ili aje ajinadi kwenye kampeni kuwa ana misimamo isiyoteteleka hasa ukizingatia yeye ni mwanamke!

By Mnyaluhala.

Me naona mgogoro huu unataka kutumiwa na huyu mama kama mtaji wa kisiasa ili achaguliwe kuwa rais kamili wa malawi. Hivyo anaweza akachelewesha maridhiano kwa mkausudi ili aje ajinadi kwenye kampeni kuwa ana misimamo isiyoteteleka hasa ukizingatia yeye ni mwanamke!

Kati ya Tanzania na Malawi nani aliyeanzisha vuguvugu hili na liakpata washabiki katika nchi zote mbili hadharani. Wao hawajawahi kusema tofauti na kauli zao za sasa na tangu hatujazaliwa.

Tanzania ndiyo tunabadili kauli na vitendo kila leo, mara kesho bungeni mara kesho mitandaoni lakini wao wana kauli moja tu kwamba Ziwa lote asilimia 100 ni la Malawi.

Kaa kimya uone kama Joyce Banda na hao wamalawi watakuwa na shida na wewe hata kiduchu.

By Gaijin

Lugha ya kigeni inatupa tabu, hebu nijaribu kwa Kiswahili

JK asema Tanzania haiko tayari kwenda vitani na JK asema Tanzania haijajitayarisha kwenda vitani

jmushi1 vipi hapo, umeweza kuona tofauti ya kimaana baina ya hizo mbili?

we ndo hujanielewa kwasababu unazungumza nilichokuwa nikizungumza.Ulichofanya ni kuziweka kwa kiswahili sanifu.Na pia statement zako hizo hazina tofauti,haikujitayarisha na haiko tayari ni kitu kile kile,haiko tayari kwasababu haikujitayarisha,na kama iko tayari,basi ni kwasababu ilijitayarisha.
Je statement ya JK was a "rebuttal?

By jmushi1

Kwani JK aliulizwa swali ama alitoa statement?Na aliposema nchi yake haiko kwenye mchakato wa kwenda vitani alikuwa akimjibu nani?ama alikuwa aki "rebbuttal" statement gani?ukitaka kujuwa context uweke hayo maanani.

Niliweka hayo maanani ndio nikaja na niliyoyasema. Kama unaona kuna dosari onyesha

By jmushi1

.Na kama alikuwa akiwajibu kina EL,then inabidi urevisit walichokisema,then uangalie kama majibu hayo yanaendana.

Hakuna msingi wowote unaoonyesha kuwa alikuwa akiwajibu kina Lowasa. Sijui wewe hiyo umeitolea wapi.

Nilichosema ni hiki, ninarudia, kauli ya Kikwete haipingani na kauli za kina Lowasa kwa sababu Kikwete kimsingi amesema Tanzania haipo kwenye mchakato wa kwenda vitani, bila ya kuzungumzia iwapo kwenda vitani ni option kwa siku za usoni au la.

Tanabahi
Lowasa, Membe na Sita hawajasema kuwa Tanzania ipo kwenye mchakato wa kwenda vitani

By jmushi1

we ndo hujanielewa kwasababu unazungumza nilichokuwa nikizungumza.Ulichofanya ni kuziweka kwa kiswahili sanifu.Na pia statement zako hizo hazina tofauti,haikujitayarisha na haiko tayari ni kitu kile kile,haiko tayari kwasababu haikujitayarisha,na kama iko tayari,basi ni kwasababu ilijitayarisha.
Je statement ya JK was a "rebuttal?

Kweli Kiswahili ni janga la taifa! Sentensi hizo mbili ni tofauti mno. Kwa kukusaidia tu

1. Tanzania haiko tayari kwenda vitani inarejelea dhamira (will). Yaani Tanzania haitaki kwenda vitani. Haizungumzii hata kidogo technical aspect ya suala hilo. Inaweza hata kumaanisha kuwa Tanzania haitaki kupigana na Malawi kwa sababu inaionea huruma!


2. Tanzania haijajitayarisha kwenda vitani. Hii inamaana ya kiufundi (uwezo). Tanzania haijafanya matayarisho (haijajipanga) labda kwenye vikosi vyake, silaha na mengine ya kiufundi.

Tanzania tuna maziwa mengi sana na kama ni mafuta tumeshaanza kuchimba Mtwara madini ndio tumeshayachoka mpaka tunayagawa, wanyama mpaka tunagawia waarabu pamoja na ardhi yake. Sio mbaya kuwapa dadazetu ziwa lote wacha nao angalau wapate mafuta.

Bado DRC na Rwanda/Burundi kuclaim ziwa na Tanganyika then followed by Museveni kulidaka ziwa Victoria...!!washatushtukiia hatuna haja na haya maziwa why wao wanaojua thamani yake wasiyachukue??laana hii wallahi..dah..!!

By Gaijin

Niliweka hayo maanani ndio nikaja na niliyoyasema. Kama unaona kuna dosari onyesha




Hakuna msingi wowote unaoonyesha kuwa alikuwa akiwajibu kina Lowasa. Sijui wewe hiyo umeitolea wapi.

Nilichosema ni hiki, ninarudia, kauli ya Kikwete haipingani na kauli za kina Lowasa kwa sababu Kikwete kimsingi amesema Tanzania haipo kwenye mchakato wa kwenda vitani, bila ya kuzungumzia iwapo kwenda vitani ni option kwa siku za usoni au la.

Tanabahi
Lowasa, Membe na Sita hawajasema kuwa Tanzania ipo kwenye mchakato wa kwenda vitani

Kama alikuwa hawajibu kina Lowassa,nani alimwambia Tanzania imetoa vitisho ama kauli kwamba inajitayarisha?Aliposema yeye ni amiri jeshi mkuu na hivyo kauli yake ndo isikilizwe,alikuwa akipinga kauli za kina nani hao ambao si maamiri jeshi wakuu?Si ndo hao wapinzani aliowataja?
Ama umeelewa vipi wewe?

By Gaijin

Kweli Kiswahili ni janga la taifa! Sentensi hizo mbili ni tofauti mno. Kwa kukusaidia tu

1. Tanzania haiko tayari kwenda vitani inarejelea dhamira (will). Yaani Tanzania haitaki kwenda vitani. Haizungumzii hata kidogo technical aspect ya suala hilo. Inaweza hata kumaanisha kuwa Tanzania haitaki kupigana na Malawi kwa sababu inaionea huruma!


2. Tanzania haijajitayarisha kwenda vitani. Hii inamaana ya kiufundi (uwezo). Tanzania haijafanya matayarisho (haijajipanga) labda kwenye vikosi vyake, silaha na mengine ya kiufundi.

Unajuwa maana ya rebuttal?

By jmushi1

Kama alikuwa hawajibu kina Lowassa,nani alimwambia Tanzania imetoa vitisho ama kauli kwamba inajitayarisha?Aliposema yeye ni amiri jeshi mkuu na hivyo kauli yake ndo isikilizwe,alikuwa akipinga kauli za kina nani hao ambao si maamiri jeshi wakuu?Si ndo hao wapinzani aliowataja?
Ama umeelewa vipi wewe?

Alikuwa anapinga habari alizoambiwa kuwa zimeandikwa kwenye magazeti ya Tanzania kuwa kuna vifaru na vikosi vya jeshi upande wa Tanzania tayari kwa vita

By Gaijin

Alikuwa anapinga habari alizoambiwa kuwa zimeandikwa kwenye magazeti ya Tanzania kuwa kuna vifaru na vikosi vya jeshi upande wa Tanzania tayari kwa vita

Haya na wewe pia unaunga tela la kuwekea watu maneno mdomoni?

the Tanzanian leader said the war mongering comments were coming from overzealous opposition parties in his country who want to score political mileage over the issue.

War mongering parties ndo habari za magazeti?We umepata video clip or something that displays what he said verbatim?

By jmushi1

Haya na wewe pia unaunga tela la kuwekea watu maneno mdomoni?

War mongering parties ndo habari za magazeti?We umepata video clip or something that displays what he said verbatim?

Basi Mkuu nimenawa, sina vya kukusaidia maana makala iliyoletwa inajitosheleza kwa kila hali

Habari ya magazeti imo humo humo, na habari ya Kikwete na wapinzani imo pia bila ya nukuu ya moja kwa moja.

By Gaijin

Basi Mkuu nimenawa, sina vya kukusaidia maana makala iliyoletwa inajitosheleza kwa kila hali.

Habari ya magazeti imo humo humo, na habari ya Kikwete na wapinzani imo pia bila ya nukuu ya moja kwa moja.

Makala iliyoletwa inajitosheleza kusema kauli ya JK ilikuwa sahihi kama ambavyo mnataka kutuaminisha hapa?Sihitaji msaada, we jibu maswali na kama huwezi sema...

By jmushi1

Makala iliyoletwa inajitosheleza kusema kauli ya JK ilikuwa sahihi kama ambavyo mnataka kutuaminisha hapa?Sihitaji msaada, we jibu maswali na kama huwezi sema...

Ndio inajitosheleza