Kipi Kiswahili sahihi? - JamiiForums |The Home of Great Thinkers

Go Back   JamiiForums |The Home of Great Thinkers > Education, Science & Technology Forums > Jukwaa la Lugha


Jukwaa la Lugha Swahili, English languages special forum.


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 18th June 2009, 04:12 PM   #1
Kipi Kiswahili sahihi?
Babuyao Babuyao is online now 18th June 2009, 04:12 PM

Kina mama wenye watoto daima wanaitwa kwa majina ya watoto wao, mf. kama mtoto wake anaitwa "Mfaume" basi mama yake ataitwa "Mama Mfaume". Miaka ya karibuni - kama sikosei - kina mama wamekuwa wakiitwa kwa majina ya waume zao pia. Mfano utasikia "Mama Kikwete" wakimaanisha mke wa Rais wa Jamhuri ya Muungano wa Tanzania.
Swali 1. Kiswahili kipi ni sahihi kati ya misimamo hiyo miwili hapo juu?
Swali 2: Kwa nini kina baba wanaitwa kwa majina ya watoto wao tu na si ya wake zao? Mf. utasikia "Baba Mfaume" lakini si "baba . . . (likitajwa jina la mkewe)?

Babuyao
JF Senior Expert Member
Points: 84,517, Level: 100 Points: 84,517, Level: 100 Points: 84,517, Level: 100
Activity: 7% Activity: 7% Activity: 7%
Join Date: Sat Jun 2009
Posts: 526
Thanks: 32
Thanked 49 Times in 34 Posts
Views: 314
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 18th June 2009, 09:09 PM
SMU's Avatar
SMU SMU is online now
SMU stands for 'integrity'
JF Premium Member
Points: 224,753, Level: 100 Points: 224,753, Level: 100 Points: 224,753, Level: 100
Activity: 16% Activity: 16% Activity: 16%
 
Join Date: Thu Feb 2008
Location: Tanganyika
Posts: 1,159
Thanks: 1,014
Thanked 324 Times in 192 Posts
Rep Power: 25
SMU will become famous soon enoughSMU will become famous soon enoughSMU will become famous soon enoughSMU will become famous soon enoughSMU will become famous soon enoughSMU will become famous soon enoughSMU will become famous soon enoughSMU will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Kipi Kiswahili sahihi?

Jina kazi yake ni kumtambulisha mtu na mara kadhaa kwa kumtofautisha au kumhusisha na watu wengine(wakati mwingine vitu) ambao tayari wanajulikana.

Inategemea pia ni nani anaita:

- Kama ni mtoto wake (ataita "mama")
- Kama ni mume au watu wengine wanaofahamu kuwa ana mtoto anaitwa mafaume (wataita "Mama Mfaume")
- Watu wanaofahamu kuwa ameolewa na Mumewe anaitwa Kikwete na pengine hawajui kama ana mtoto au hawafamu majina ya mmojawapo wa watoto wake (wataita " Mama Kikwete" - Mama hapa inabadilika maana na kuwa 'mke wa' au 'Mrs')

Mazingira pia yanaweza kubadili jinsi ya kuita: kwa mfano mama yako akiwa kwenye umati wa kina mama, utamwitaje?

Kumbuka kuwa kimazoea, si 'adabu' kumuita mama mtu mzima (aliyekuzidi umri) kwa jina lake la mwanzo katika mazungumzo au mawasiliano ya kawaida ya kinyumbani na yasiyo rasmi (informal). Wazungu wenzetu hii siyo shida kabisa!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 18th June 2009, 09:25 PM
Bluray's Avatar
Bluray Bluray is offline
Bluray is the one talked about by the fashion bloggers
JF Senior Expert Member
Points: 224,597, Level: 100 Points: 224,597, Level: 100 Points: 224,597, Level: 100
Activity: 4% Activity: 4% Activity: 4%
 
Join Date: Tue Mar 2008
Posts: 3,453
Thanks: 55
Thanked 948 Times in 514 Posts
Rep Power: 29
Bluray will become famous soon enoughBluray will become famous soon enoughBluray will become famous soon enoughBluray will become famous soon enoughBluray will become famous soon enoughBluray will become famous soon enoughBluray will become famous soon enoughBluray will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Kipi Kiswahili sahihi?

Katika desturi za Kiswahili ukisema "Mama kikwete" unamaanisha yule mwanamke aliyemzaa / mama yake Kikwete.

Haya mambo ya kumwita Salma Kikwete "Mama Kikwete" yanatokana na kuiga kiingereza cha "Mrs. Kikwete".It can be really confusing.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 18th June 2009, 09:45 PM
MNYANTUZU MNYANTUZU is offline
MNYANTUZU has no status.
Junior Member
Points: 54,576, Level: 100 Points: 54,576, Level: 100 Points: 54,576, Level: 100
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Thu Jun 2009
Posts: 6
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
MNYANTUZU will become famous soon enoughMNYANTUZU will become famous soon enoughMNYANTUZU will become famous soon enoughMNYANTUZU will become famous soon enoughMNYANTUZU will become famous soon enoughMNYANTUZU will become famous soon enoughMNYANTUZU will become famous soon enoughMNYANTUZU will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Kipi Kiswahili sahihi?

Kuhusu wanaume kutoitwa kwa majina ya wake zao nadhani ni matokeo ya mfumo dume mbao wanawake bado wanapambana nao. Kumbuka kwamba katika jamii nyingi mwanamke alikuwa ni kama "mali" ya mume na kwa lojiki ya kawaida mmiliki hawezi kuitwa kwa jina la mmilikiwa. Kufanya hivyo ni kumdogosha yeye na umiliki wake.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 18th June 2009, 10:23 PM
Dar Es Salaam's Avatar
Dar Es Salaam Dar Es Salaam is offline
Dar Es Salaam never gonna say never
JF Senior Expert Member
Points: 135,605, Level: 100 Points: 135,605, Level: 100 Points: 135,605, Level: 100
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Sun Feb 2008
Posts: 1,432
Thanks: 1
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Rep Power: 0
Dar Es Salaam is infamous around these parts
Default Re: Kipi Kiswahili sahihi?

Jibu lipo katika uIslam, kila mmkoja anabaki na jina lake kama lilivyo, hakuna kubadili jina au majina kutokana na kuolewa.
__________________
Parti Pris
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 18th June 2009, 10:29 PM
rmashauri's Avatar
rmashauri rmashauri is online now
rmashauri Christ's Ambassador
JF Premium Member
Points: 126,016, Level: 100 Points: 126,016, Level: 100 Points: 126,016, Level: 100
Activity: 9% Activity: 9% Activity: 9%
 
Join Date: Thu Jan 2009
Posts: 1,357
Thanks: 950
Thanked 1,287 Times in 787 Posts
Rep Power: 24
rmashauri will become famous soon enoughrmashauri will become famous soon enoughrmashauri will become famous soon enoughrmashauri will become famous soon enoughrmashauri will become famous soon enoughrmashauri will become famous soon enoughrmashauri will become famous soon enoughrmashauri will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Kipi Kiswahili sahihi?

Quote:
View Post
Jibu lipo katika uIslam, kila mmkoja anabaki na jina lake kama lilivyo, hakuna kubadili jina au majina kutokana na kuolewa.
Kwasababu talaka ni nje nje katika uislamu ndo maana mnafanya hivyo. Mnaoa kwa kuegeshea tu si hivyo katika ukristo. Sisi ni mpaka kifo kiwatenganishe ndo maana tunadiriki kubadili majina baada ya ndoa. Marriage is a godly bond in christianity.
__________________
Haki huinua taifa bali dhambi ni aibu ya watu wote (Mithali 14:34)
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 19th June 2009, 04:11 AM
Kwaminchi Kwaminchi is offline
Kwaminchi has no status.
Senior Member
Points: 79,148, Level: 100 Points: 79,148, Level: 100 Points: 79,148, Level: 100
Activity: 2% Activity: 2% Activity: 2%
 
Join Date: Sun Dec 2007
Posts: 162
Thanks: 31
Thanked 10 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 23
Kwaminchi will become famous soon enoughKwaminchi will become famous soon enoughKwaminchi will become famous soon enoughKwaminchi will become famous soon enoughKwaminchi will become famous soon enoughKwaminchi will become famous soon enoughKwaminchi will become famous soon enoughKwaminchi will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Kipi Kiswahili sahihi?

Quote:
View Post
Kwasababu talaka ni nje nje katika uislamu ndo maana mnafanya hivyo. Mnaoa kwa kuegeshea tu si hivyo katika ukristo. Sisi ni mpaka kifo kiwatenganishe ndo maana tunadiriki kubadili majina baada ya ndoa. Marriage is a godly bond in christianity.
Waungwana,

Kujibu swali ni kulielewa swali. Kipi Kiswahili sahihi? Hapakutajwa dini kwenye swali? Jinsi gani sahihi katika utamaduni wa Kiswahili? sio utamaduni wa kidini!

Mama katika Kiswahili sanifu ni yule mzazi, awe mzaa mtoto au mzaa chema. Lakini, katika utamaduni wa Kiswahili, jina la 'mama" linaweza kutumika kama ishara ya 'kuheshimu.'

Katika hali hii mtu anaweza kumwita mwanamke yeyote 'mama." Ndipo mtu anaweza kusikika akimwita hata binti yake mwenyewe, "mama."

Anapoitwa mtu "Mama Fulani." Maana halisi ni kuwa huyo ni mzazi wa huyo "fulani." Na kiutamaduni, ndani ya mwito huo, mna heshima ya aina yake.

Hili la kuitwa mwanamke kwa jina la mumewe ni la uigaji wa tamaduni za kigeni.
Si sahihi katika lugha wala utamaduni wa Kiswahili.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 19th June 2009, 04:15 AM
X-PASTER's Avatar
X-PASTER X-PASTER is offline
X-PASTER NaTurAl BoRn ExTrEmIsT
JF Senior Expert Member
Points: 1,562,036, Level: 100 Points: 1,562,036, Level: 100 Points: 1,562,036, Level: 100
Activity: 25% Activity: 25% Activity: 25%
 
Join Date: Mon Feb 2007
Location: Citizen Of Jannah
Posts: 4,741
Thanks: 907
Thanked 802 Times in 513 Posts
Rep Power: 33
X-PASTER will become famous soon enoughX-PASTER will become famous soon enoughX-PASTER will become famous soon enoughX-PASTER will become famous soon enoughX-PASTER will become famous soon enoughX-PASTER will become famous soon enoughX-PASTER will become famous soon enoughX-PASTER will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Kipi Kiswahili sahihi?

Quote:
View Post
Kwasababu talaka ni nje nje katika uislamu ndo maana mnafanya hivyo. Mnaoa kwa kuegeshea tu si hivyo katika ukristo. Sisi ni mpaka kifo kiwatenganishe ndo maana tunadiriki kubadili majina baada ya ndoa. Marriage is a godly bond in christianity.
Hivi wakiristu hawaachani... eh!? Hivi upo dunia ya wapi?
__________________
“I am the punishment of God... If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.”

'O Allah! Keep me alive as long as life is better for me, and let me die if death is better for me.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 19th June 2009, 07:45 AM
SMU's Avatar
SMU SMU is online now
SMU stands for 'integrity'
JF Premium Member
Points: 224,753, Level: 100 Points: 224,753, Level: 100 Points: 224,753, Level: 100
Activity: 16% Activity: 16% Activity: 16%
 
Join Date: Thu Feb 2008
Location: Tanganyika
Posts: 1,159
Thanks: 1,014
Thanked 324 Times in 192 Posts
Rep Power: 25
SMU will become famous soon enoughSMU will become famous soon enoughSMU will become famous soon enoughSMU will become famous soon enoughSMU will become famous soon enoughSMU will become famous soon enoughSMU will become famous soon enoughSMU will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Kipi Kiswahili sahihi?

Quote:
View Post
Hili la kuitwa mwanamke kwa jina la mumewe ni la uigaji wa tamaduni za kigeni. Si sahihi katika lugha wala utamaduni wa Kiswahili.
Jamani lugha ya kiswahili inakua. Neno haliachi kuwa sahihi eti tu kwa sababu limeigwa kutoka tamaduni/lugha nyingine! Kiswahili ni zao la tamaduni/lugha za kigeni pamoja na kibantu na kinaendelea kukua katika mazingira hayohayo ya kukopa au kutohoa maneno mbalimbali kutoka kibantu na lugha za kigeni.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 24th June 2009, 01:51 PM
Barubaru Barubaru is offline
Barubaru has no status.
JF Senior Expert Member
Points: 176,659, Level: 100 Points: 176,659, Level: 100 Points: 176,659, Level: 100
Activity: 3% Activity: 3% Activity: 3%
 
Join Date: Mon Apr 2009
Location: Doha, Qatar
Posts: 1,317
Thanks: 256
Thanked 248 Times in 185 Posts
Rep Power: 23
Barubaru will become famous soon enoughBarubaru will become famous soon enoughBarubaru will become famous soon enoughBarubaru will become famous soon enoughBarubaru will become famous soon enoughBarubaru will become famous soon enoughBarubaru will become famous soon enoughBarubaru will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Kipi Kiswahili sahihi?

mwanamke kubadili jina na kutumia jila la mumewe badala la baba yake mzazi ni kujidhulumu na kujidhalilisha mwenyewe.

Kila mtu atumie jina lake hata kama mnaoana
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
kipi, kiswahili, sahihi


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
A vote of confidence for Mama Anne-Kilango Malecela Mwafrika wa Kike Jukwaa la Siasa 121 16th December 2009 09:43 AM
Kiswahili ni lugha ya watu gani? Barubaru Jukwaa la Lugha 14 24th August 2009 09:57 PM
Naitaji ufafanuzi X-PASTER Jukwaa la Lugha 9 18th February 2008 09:44 PM
Kiswahili as a National and International Language babalao Jukwaa la Lugha 0 23rd November 2007 11:31 AM

Tuma Ukurasa huu kwa rafiki yako!


All times are GMT +3. The time now is 06:45 PM.

Powered by JamiiForums.com
Copyrights reserved to JamiiForums.com