Topic: Uingereza miaka kumi lakini bado Maimuna

Wakuu naomba mnisaidie hivi unaweza ukaishi UK kwa miaka zaidi ya mitano na ukawa haujui Kiingereza? Maana jana kuna jamaa yangu anaishi UK-Liverpool amekuja likizo sasa nikakaa naye akatokea jamaa yangu mwingine nikamtambulisha sababu jamaa kasikia mjeba amejitundika huko muongo mmoja si akaangusha kwa Lugha yao mshikaji kujibu nikagundua loh!

Shida yangu sio kuona nini bali nashindwa kuelewa kama huko kwa wenzetu kuna mchanganyiko wa lugha. Nisaidieni maana kuna dada mmoja aliniambia akimaliza MBA yake hapa nchini anatafuta course UK angalau ya miezi sita ili ajibrashi hicho kilugha.

Msaada jamani hasa mlioko huko na mnipe ushauri je ni nchi au mji gani anaweza enda ambao hamna mchanganyiko wa lugha?

By zomba

Huwa hunisomi vizuri tu, ungepata faida kubwa sana ungechukuwa wasaa wako kidogo kunisoma, na ambapo hujapaelewa ungechukuwa fursa ya kuniuliza, ungejifunza mengi sana.

Modesty and humility are not among of your multiple qualities, are they? hahahahaha

By Mwali

Modesty and humility are not among of your multiple qualities, are they? hahahahaha

From you I can take tons of criticism without a grudge. I know, your capacity is way above most of us.

Hii thread mbona ibweli chigafula sana na muyinu Hata chiswahili cheni cha shida shida tu na nitamana ku mbwani!!

Hata mtoto mdogo anapojifunza kuongea lugha yeyote huanza na sentensi mbovu mbovu na hatimaye hunyooka. Watoto kutokana na kutokuona aibu hujua mapema mno lugha kulinganisha na watu wazima. Hivyo lugha ni mazoezi ya kuongea hatimaye utaifahamu vizuri.

By georgeallen

kaazi kweli kweli. Wakati unaongea lugha yoyote usiogope kuonekana mshamba,usijali sijui grammar au syntax au conjunction- wewe vunja tu -huo sio mtihani kwamba baada ya maongezi utapewa below. Hatimaye unajikuta unatema lugha hiyo kama wenyewe.

naona mjadala umegeuka vijembe,
kazaneni na kasumba zenu,
wakati kuna wenyewe wanaojiita english people na hawajui english,nyie wamatumbi ndio mnaona sehemu ya kupigana vijembe,kalagabaho....!!!!

By Rogie

Sasa utajuaje Kiingereza ilhali hata kiswahili chakupa tabu..MAIMUNA maana yake ni nini? Ni MAIMUNA au MAAMUMA.!!?
Anayekwenda Uingereza ili imsaidie ajue kiingereza nae ni bure tu, kila kitu kinawezekana tu ukitilia mkazo..sisi wengine tumeishi hapa hapa TZ lakini kiingereza tukiongea kinaeleweka based on grammar and syntax. Kuna namna mbili ya kufahamu lugha ya kigeni
1. Ishi katika mazingira yao ukijifunza hyo lugha.
2. Soma sana vitabu vyenye lugha hiyo..kwa lugha nyingine inabdi uwe na muongozo wenye lgha yako.

Nilichojifunza mm ni kuwa sisi ni wavivu sana kwenye kusoma vitabu iwe kiswahili au kiingereza.

Utakuwa umezaliwa late 80's au early 90's. Ni MAIMUNA mkuu,waliokuwa na akili zao enzi zile za RTD ilipokuwa ndiyo radio station pekee nchini wanaelewa.

Inamaana LEMUTUZ ni maimuna? au ana akili za KI MAIMUNA.

Mimi sijui kwanini Watanzania tunakasumba mbaya !! igeni mifano ya Waitaliano, Wafaransa, Wajerumani na nchi zenye kutukuza Lugha yao! mtu asipojua English ni jambo la kawaida tu..ila Tanzania!!

By Rogie

Sasa utajuaje Kiingereza ilhali hata kiswahili chakupa tabu..MAIMUNA maana yake ni nini? Ni MAIMUNA au MAAMUMA.!!?
Anayekwenda Uingereza ili imsaidie ajue kiingereza nae ni bure tu, kila kitu kinawezekana tu ukitilia mkazo..sisi wengine tumeishi hapa hapa TZ lakini kiingereza tukiongea kinaeleweka based on grammar and syntax. Kuna namna mbili ya kufahamu lugha ya kigeni
1. Ishi katika mazingira yao ukijifunza hyo lugha.
2. Soma sana vitabu vyenye lugha hiyo..kwa lugha nyingine inabdi uwe na muongozo wenye lgha yako.

Nilichojifunza mm ni kuwa sisi ni wavivu sana kwenye kusoma vitabu iwe kiswahili au kiingereza.

By Pwito

Mkuu unajitapa umeishi hapa bongo wakati hata MAIMUNA hujui na unafikiri unanisahihisha mimi? Ngoja nikusaidie kwenye miaka ya mwanzoni mwa 90 ilianzishwa shule ya kiingereza kama sikosei wakaitangaza kwenye radio na tangazo lao lilibeba jina la yule asiyejua Kiiingereza anaitwa MAIMUNA basi kuanzia hapo ilikuwa kama Kiinglish hakipandi unaitwa Maimuna. Ni kama leo ilivyo Kayumba. Usikejeli kama hujui labda enzi hizo hamkua na redio kwenu au kijijini kwenu zilikuwa zinakamata idhaa za nchi jirani tu.

Ninyi nyote mmepatia kuhusu MAAMUMA na MAIMUNA.

Katika kiswahili kuna Neno MAAMUMA na kuna Jina la kike linalooitwa MAIMUNA. Neno MAIMUNA lina maana kama vile MAAMUMA kulingana ufafanuzi wa Pwito.

Kumbukeni, Wahenga walivosema "Kiswahili ni nyama ya tembo, ukiila huimalizi" na hii ni karibia kwa lugha zote. Hakuna haja ya kutoleana Kashfa.

By Mwali

We huwajui hao wanao zungumziwa hapa.
Hata mimi nimeshawaona wakija leave.
Mi mwenyewe english yangu ya kuunga
ila nilijikuta namzidi kwa kiasi fulani yani.
Halafu wanajaribu kuficha udhaifu wao huo
kwa kuongea haraka with a fake british accent

Nadhani tabia ya kuficha udhaifu wa kuelewa lugha, kinasababisha ulaghai (wa kufeki accent). Hii inasababisha waboronge zaidi. Lakini nafikiri wanatumia energy nyingi kuliko energy watayotumia kujifunza kiingereza. Vile vile, jamii wanayoishi inatakiwa uwahamasishe.

Sijui kama huwa wanenda Uingereza kujifunza kiingereza, kama wameenda kukaa hata mwaka mmoja kujifunza kiingereza na wanashindwa basi ni kicheko.

Inategemea wameishi kule katika mazingira gani. Kama wameishi katika maizngira ya waswahili, na kuongea Kiswahili kila siku basi hawawezi kujifunza kiingereza.

Mbona kuna watanzania wengi tu wamezaliwa hapa Tanzania na hawajui "Kitanzania" vizuri, hata hapa JF ukiangalia utaona kuwa sarufi, herufi na vingine ovyo kabisa.

By Neema

naona mjadala umegeuka vijembe,
kazaneni na kasumba zenu,
wakati kuna wenyewe wanaojiita english people na hawajui english,nyie wamatumbi ndio mnaona sehemu ya kupigana vijembe,kalagabaho....!!!!

Mbona kama umeguswa mpendwa?
hahahahaha

Kivyako-vyako, ah ah, kivyako-vyako, ah ah, kivyako-vyako
Ras Pompidou

Ajue Kiingereza, asijue, as long as hajanigongea hodi kunitwisha mzigo wake, na mie sijamgongea, ni poa tu.

Sasa kama mtu akikwambia hayo ndiyo maisha aliyochagua, na labda kipaji cha lugha hana, utamwambia nini?

After all lugha ni janga la taifa na Kiingereza chenyewe ni lugha fyongo kwa mtu aliyezoea lugha nadhifu kama Kiswahili (take it from George Bernard Shaw)

Sitetei u-Maimuna, nakataa kukubali hii "lording it over them" kama a genuine concern.

Kuna watu wanapenda kuwakoga wenzao tu, kwamba wamekaa Uingereza miaka yote lakini hawajui Kiingereza. Lakini katika kuwakoga hivyo wanataka tuamini kwamba wanasema hilo kwa noble reasons kama kukemea ujinga na kuwa genuinely concerned. Mbona hamtuambii mmewasaidiaje hawa "ndugu zetu" wasiojua Kiingereza?

Mie mtu anayekaa miaka yote hiyo Uingereza bila kujua Kiingereza nampa heko maana inaonekana ana skills fulani zinazo transcend lugha, ama sivyo angesha fungasha.

Halafu ananipa afueni sipati competition zaidi katika ubebaji makasha.

mleta mada, nani kakwambia swala akìishi na simba karne moja anageuka simba? Kujua lugha lazima UJIFUNZE lugha, hakuna osmosis.

Ukve alikuwa anafanya kazi kituo cha kulelea viziwi na bubu

By Mwali

Mbona kama umeguswa mpendwa?
hahahahaha

wala sijaguswa....

By Neema

wala sijaguswa....

Usijali mpenzi, nakuchokoza tu... Mmmwaaaaah!

Sometime I don’t understand what wrong with us, is not how long you have been leaving in uk to speak or write properly it’s all about how you willing to learn ,even some English has grammar problem e.g.; English and Irish traveller some of theme can’t even write and yet nobody say anything .Accent its depend where you staying example people from Liverpool they got different accent with one from east London. As people adopted accent of where they leave so be it.when people from one community who share the same culture and language leaving together off Couse they will be happy to use their own language . Just start thinking about yourself if it happens you visit your friend or relative in UK would you speaks English with them? Suddenly not you will speak Swahili unless otherwise your friend is none Swahili speaker. The same thing happens to the people from reading and Leicester but surely will be some from that area who speak and write properly English.

My friend, you cannot adopt the accent unless you are under five years old, because that is where all children are tought how to master the language. Accent is something someone is born with so it comes naturally.

But as an adult, you can learn to speak good English and improve your grammar as is important element of being good speaker.

I totally agree with you that native speakers of a language can be fluent without being considered proficient.