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      Najua hii topiki haitokuwa poplar na baadhi ya watu humu ndani na hata wenye website lakini potelea mbali

      Je ni kweli wizara hizo zimejaa makabila ya Wachagga,Wanyakyusa na wahaya?

      mimi nilikuwa siamini mpaka pale NILIPO ambiwa kuwa kuna UKABILA wa hali ya juuu kule Ikulu NA vile vile namba mbili kwa UKABILA ni TRA je kuna ukweli katika haya?

      Japo kuna watu wanasema kuwa ni udini lakini sumu ambayo hatuko tayari hata kuijadili ni hii ya ukabila na ndio inayoturudisha nyuma je mnakubaliana nayo?





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      Hayo makabila wamissionary walinvest uko na ndo maana wameenda shule vya kutosha!

      Kuna mtu akanidokeza kula hao ni wala ndizi na kuna association kati ya ulaji wa ndizi na AKILI ingawa bado natafiti nkipata majibu ntashare na wana jamvi.

      So habari ndo iyo alafu iyo mijitu ikiwa madarakani inajiamini na uwezo wa kufanya maamuzi magumu wanao wapo waliodiriki ata kupingana na JK enzi izo.IN UJASIRI WA HALI YA JUU maana JK alikuwa anatisha!
      WB Tanzania lead economist Jacques Morisset said the GDP doubled in 10 years, but it has failed to produce any significant decline in poverty levels.

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      Unapozungumzia ukabila unatumia vigezo gani?

      Kama utasema Wachaga ni wengi,na wakati huo wewe ni unatokea katika kabila ambalo ni dogo au unatokea katika kabila ambalo watu wake wamechelewa kupata elimu mapema.

      Tukizungumzia ukabila tutazame vitu 2. Kwanza ni ukubwa wa kabila husika. Pili ni elimu kama watu wengi katika kabila hilo wamepata.
      Sasa ukizungumzia makabila kama Wachaga au Wanyakyusa na hata Wasukuma;utaona kuwa makabila hayo ndio makabila makubwa,kwa maana kuwa yana idadi kubwa ya watu.

      Pili ukizungumzia upande wa elimu,utaona kuwa mkoa wa kilimanjaro hususani maeneo wanayotokea Wachaga utakuta elimu ilichukua nafasi tangu kipindi kirefu hususani kabla na hata baada ya kupata uhuru.

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      Unapozungumzia ukabila unatumia vigezo gani?
      Kama utasema Wachaga ni wengi,na wakati huo wewe ni unatokea katika kabila ambalo ni dogo au unatokea katika kabila ambalo watu wake wamechelewa kupata elimu mapema.
      Tukizungumzia ukabila tutazame vitu 2. Kwanza ni ukubwa wa kabila husika. Pili ni elimu kama watu wengi katika kabila hilo wamepata.
      Sasa ukizungumzia makabila kama Wachaga au Wanyakyusa na hata Wasukuma;utaona kuwa makabila hayo ndio makabila makubwa,kwa maana kuwa yana idadi kubwa ya watu.
      Pili ukizungumzia upande wa elimu,utaona kuwa mkoa wa kilimanjaro hususani maeneo wanayotokea Wachaga utakuta elimu ilichukua nafasi tangu kipindi kirefu hususani kabla na hata baada ya kupata uhuru.
      Wachangiaji umu jamvini, mmeshawahi kuchukua takwimu darasani hasa vyuoni, Law, bussiness, education, engineering na etc watu wa kwenu mnaobaguliwa mlikuwa wangapi?. Halafu njoo na ukabila ambao hata mzazi gani ampaye nyoka mwanaye aombaye samaki, na mwenye nacho huong.....

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      Ukabila upo sehemu nyingi na utaendelea kuwepo kwa vile watu wenye mitazamo chanya ya kuuondoa wanazidi kwisha. Kizazi hiki na vijavyo ndiyo vyenye majukumu ya kusema HAPANA kwa kila aina ya kubaguana kwa kipato,kidini, kikabila, rangi, jinsia n.k. Tukitaka tutaje kila sehemu na maovu yake ya kibaguzi Tanzania imechafuka kuanzia Serikalini, Taasisi za Umma na Sekta binafsi!

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      Ndugu mleta mada,ata mimi mwanzoni nilifikiria hivyo hadi nilipofanya utafiti na kugundua yafuatayo:
      1.Hiyo mikoa yote uliyoitaja ni maarufu kwa kilimo cha kahawa,wakoloni walipokuja walikuwa wahitaji kahawa mno,lakini wenyeji wa mikoa hiyo hawakuwa tayari kulima kwa kiwango walichotaka wakoloni,matokeo yake wakoloni wakaweka vivutio vya kuwafanya natives wawe na mwamuko wa kulima cash crops ili wapate fedha,moja wapo ya kivutio ilikuwa ni kufungua shule za nguvu zitakazovutia wakulima kupeleka watoto wao na hivyo kuitaji fedha na kwingineko mkoa wa Kagera,mtot wa mkulima wa kahawa alikuwa analipa ada nafuu na wakati mwingine anasomeshwa na chama cha ushirika,matokeo ya hii attitude ya quid pro quo watu wa mikoa hii walikuwa na hamas ya kusoma sana na hata kufikia mashindo ya mzazi gani watoto wake wamesoma zaidi,hii ni tofauti na mikoa mingine kama Kigoma ambayo wakoloni walitaka iwe labour reserve -sehemu ya kupata vibarua na manamba na kwa makusudi kabisa hawakutaka wala ku encourage wenyeji wa mikoa ya labour reserve kwenda shule kwani kama wangesoma wasingekubali kuwa manamba.hali hii iliendelea hadi late 60s baba wa taifa alipoingila kati na kufanay juhudi za makusudi kudidimiza elimu na maendeleo kwenye mikoa iliyokuwa imetangulia na kuinua iliyokuwa nyuma,japo haikusaidia sana lakini ilipunguza gap ambalo ndilo unalozungumzia,mikoa iliyokuwa nyuma ilipewa pass mark ndogo sana na ufaulu kwenda sekondari ulikuwa raisi sana na mikoa iliyokuwa mbele iliwekewa pass mark kubwa ili wanafunzi wengi wasiende sekondari.Kama kuna mfuatiliaji iki ni kile kipindi amabcho watu wa mikoa hiyo iliyokuwa mbele waliokuwa wanaishi kwenye mikoa iliyokuwa na pass mark ndogo walikuwa wanachukua watoto hata wasio na undugu nao na kuwapeleka kumalizia daras la saba kwenye mikoa yenye pass mark ndogo na hivyo ku-defeat purpose ya Goverment kwa kiasi fulani.
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      Quote By Mbayuwa2 View Post
      Nimefuatilia sana hizo wizara zilizotajwa kuwa zinaoongoza kwa ukabila, lakni sijaona Wizara ya mali asili, na utalii hususan TANAPA
      Sijaona NSSF ikitajwa na BOT. Huko nako wamejaa wahaya, wachaga na wanyakusa?

      Nawasilisha.

      Before you judge others, start with yourself
      Mkuu una maana gani kwa kusema wamejaa! Yaani wamewekwa pale bila SIFA zaidi ya UKABILA-Watanzania tumebobea katika fani za kutunga porojo na uzushi.

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      Quote By Mswahili View Post
      Mtz.
      Human resource & adminstration yupo mtu wa kilimanjaro hapo ajira haendi kwingine. halafu fuatilia watendaji wa chini ya hawa policy makers.

      fuatilia RRO/MANAGERS, fuatilia officers in charges wa long room(Dar),na boarders, then utapata jibu vipi kilimanjaro walivyothibiti idara hii nyeti.

      nakupa zaidi RRO wa airport alikuwa Kimaro ambaye ni mchagga,

      RRO long room alikuwa sabuni nae kilimanjaro, ukienda officer in charge majahazi alikuwepo Lyimo nae mchagga akaja Mushi nae mchagga, na ukienda RRO BANDARINI alikuwepo mzee Maleko mchagga bandari iko chini yake kabla yake alikuwepo Foyi nae mchagga,RRO wharf alikuwepo Kisaka mchagga ambaye sasa ni deputy commissioner,hawa ndio watendaji wanaopitisha ushuru.

      na documents zote za bandari Dar lazima zinapitia kwa head declaration officer(HDO) MR. MCHIRA huyu nae kilimanjaro,

      officer in charge wa container terminal bandari dar,ni mr. steven mchagga,
      officer in charge border ya Tunduma ni mr, Niko ni mchagga na ukienda border ya Namanga kuna mr. Mosi nae mchagga,

      hawa ndio watendaji pitieni muone kama kuna usawa. na aliyetoa statement ya kuthibitisha ukabila(ukilimanjaro) ni MManda ambaye ni mchagga yeye alisema tusishangae TRA twende jeshini kwanza.yeye aliye huko hakupinga kama hakuna uchagga na ukilimanjaro. tizameni benki kuu nako
      Mswahili umemaliza

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      Sasa hivi ni udini
      JF the best place to be. and the POWER of God be with us all the time.

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      mmesahau shirika moja linaitwa HHHF

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      Mwanakijiji angetufafanulia pia sisi watu wa kusini ( Lindi na Mtwara). Mbona sisi tulikuwa natuna Misikiti mingi huko and we had minting press kule Malindi.... Na pis tulisoma elim dunia na tukamaliza vyuo vya Madrasa! Wengine tuna masters za sharia tulizosoma Misri ila hatujapata kuteuliwa kuwa washauri. Ina maana elimu tulizopata ni fake?

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      Tatizo kubwa la Watanzania si UDINI bali ni ukabila kwani kuna Makabila ambayo hayataki kuwa chini ya kabila lingine wataleta fitina na chuki kuhakikisha kuwa kila sehemu wanaongoza wao hii ni hatari na ndio inayoleta hata kwenye kuwania urahisi 2015

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      Sasa hivi imefikia kubalance kila sehemu kwani kuna wasomi wengi karibu makabila yote na dini zote

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      wengi huko wagogo.asikuambie mtu.

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      "By Samvulachole"

      Najua hii topiki haitokuwa poplar na baadhi ya watu humu ndani na hata wenye website lakini potelea mbali

      Je ni kweli wizara hizo zimejaa makabila ya Wachagga,Wanyakyusa na wahaya?

      mimi nilikuwa siamini mpaka pale NILIPO ambiwa kuwa kuna UKABILA wa hali ya juuu kule Ikulu NA vile vile namba mbili kwa UKABILA ni TRA je kuna ukweli katika haya?

      Japo kuna watu wanasema kuwa ni udini lakini sumu ambayo hatuko tayari hata kuijadili ni hii ya ukabila na ndio inayoturudisha nyuma je mnakubaliana nayo?



      Mbona humjasema kuhusu madaktari walioko mahosipitalini, Wahadhiri katika vyuo vikuu, Mapolisi na Waalimu. Huko wakikaa sio ukabila? angalieni pia idadi yao kwenye sekondari na vyuo maana ndiko wanakoanzia

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      Kama ni kulaumu tulaumu nini mkoloni? Masuala yote ya kahawa sijui mazao ya biashara kwangu hayana mashiko maana Mara kitu hicho hakipo na kilichompatia Nyerere faida ni kuwa mtoto wa chief, hicho ndo kimempa na ujiko JK sijaelewa Mkapa aliingiaje humo lakini vinginevyo kote hadi kule ugogoni akina baba yake na mzee wa kudadadeki wakati wa kampeni za kule Arumeru faida pekee ni kuwa watoto wa machief hadi kule uheheni akina Adam Sapi Mkwawa na kotekote hadi akina Kinjikitile (siajabu labda Ben ni mmoja wao). Kama hamjajua haya ndo matatizo ya Rwanda na DRC na Burundi kukuza watoto fulani na kudidimiza wengine matokeo yake fursa zote zinaenda kwa koo fulani tu! Tatizo TZ si ukabila wala udini bali uchief ulopandikizwa na wakoloni. Kokote na mikoa yote wawe ni kule waliko nyuma kwa sasa au kule waliko mbele kwa sasa wote wanaonyanyuka ni kundi hilo. Mwishowe utajagundua kitu kimoja nacho ni 'HIMA EMPIRE'! Maana mbona akina Sokoine na Lowasa kwao hakuna kahawa wala mazao ya biashara hata kulima walikuwa hawalimi jamani.

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      :a s 11:

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      Quote By Samvulachole View Post
      Najua hii topiki haitokuwa poplar na baadhi ya watu humu ndani na hata wenye website lakini potelea mbali

      Je ni kweli wizara hizo zimejaa makabila ya Wachagga,Wanyakyusa na wahaya?

      mimi nilikuwa siamini mpaka pale NILIPO ambiwa kuwa kuna UKABILA wa hali ya juuu kule Ikulu NA vile vile namba mbili kwa UKABILA ni TRA je kuna ukweli katika haya?

      Japo kuna watu wanasema kuwa ni udini lakini sumu ambayo hatuko tayari hata kuijadili ni hii ya ukabila na ndio inayoturudisha nyuma je mnakubaliana nayo?





      -JAMBO FORUMS WHERE WE DARE TALK OPENLY

      huu ujinga ulioandika hapo juu ndo serikali ya jk inatumia imefikia sasa hata mtu kama hajui kusoma na kuandika anaingia form one ili kubalance dini, kabila, na jinsia, hii nchi ni ya wajinga, taaluma imepigwa teke.

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      Ni kweli ukabila upo tena sana, namkumbuka mbunge wa zamani wa Nzega ndugu Selelii alimbana Mramba wakati huo waziri wa fedha sababu za makamishna wote wa TRA, zaidi ya asilimia 90% wanatoka mkoa mmoja (Kilimanjaro) Kingunge aliingilia kati ati hoja yake inasababisha mgawanyiko. Kwamba Mbeya, Kagera na Kilimanjaro ndio pekee waliosoma imekuwa hoja ya kale na ni kichaka cha kuhalalisha ukabila.

      si kweli kuwa makabila mengine yoote hayajaenda shule kama wabaguzi wanavyotaka iaminike.

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      Quote By Gusa Unase View Post
      Ni kweli we hv to admit hawa jamaa walitutangulia na wapo wengi wenye shule in comparison with Makabila mengine na ndo tayari wapo kw system hivyo ni ngumu kufikia uwiano ulio sawa ukizingatia yako makabila zaidi ya 120 hapa nyumbani,so lets take it az a challenge tuwapeleke wanetu shule ili huko mbeleni na wanetu wasiishie kulalamika.. Thats my take
      Hapo umenena Mkuu!

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      Lazima tupambane na ukabila kwa nguvu zetu zote maana sasa umeingia mpaka kwenye vyama vya siasa ni hatari kwani ukabila unazidi kujitanua


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