US Media Campaign to Discredit Iranian Election

US Media Campaign to Discredit Iranian Election

By Charting StockSee also:-Lights turned off on media after elections: The AFP news agency reported that Iran’s wireless telephone network was shut down at 5:30pm GMT (10:00pm in Tehran), just as incumbent president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was making a television appearance to congratulate himself on a "great victory".
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June 13, 2009 "Charting Stocks" -- -Was the Iranian election a fraud? That’s what our great western media sources want us to believe. While scanning through the coverage, I could not find one mainstream news article which covered the election results in an objective, unbiased manner. Either prominently displayed in the title or first paragraph, each of the articles suggest the election was a fraud. The obvious question arises - If their electoral system can’t be trusted, why were they watching the results so “closely” in the first place? I’d probably find better things to do then obsess over the results of a rigged game, but hey that’s just me.
It’s worth noting that Iran, unlike the US, does not use electronic voting machines which are easily tampered with. They actually have paper ballots. It’s also important to point out the health of their electoral process. They had an 85% turnout! We, “the champions of democracy” turnout only a fraction of that percentage for our presidential elections. In fact 2 out of 3 American citizens find something better to do during election day.

Reuters Iran’s election result staggers analysts
Hard-liner Mahmoud Ahmadinejad defeated moderate challenger Mirhossein Mousavi by a surprisingly wide margin in Iran’s presidential election, official results showed on Saturday. Mousavi derided the tally as a “dangerous charade.’

Fox News: U.S. Monitoring Iran’s Election Results
U.S. officials are casting doubt over the results of Iran’s election, in which the government declared President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the winner Saturday…U.S. analysts find it “not credible [Notice the usual UN-NAMED "US Officials and Analysts]

MSNBC: Violence flares as Ahmadinejad wins Iran vote
Riot police battled with protesters Saturday as officials announced that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had won a landslide election victory. His opponent denounced the results as ‘treason’….Ahmadinejad had the apparent backing of the ruling theocracy.

CNN: Ahmadinejad wins landslide in disputed election
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been declared the big winner in the country’s election, but his chief rival and supporters in the Tehran streets are crying foul.

NY Times: Ahmadinejad Is Declared Victor in Iran

The Iranian government declared an outright election victory for President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Saturday morning, and riot police officers fought with supporters of the opposition candidate, Mir Hussein Moussavi, who insisted that the election had been stolen.

Time Magazine: Protests Greet Ahmadinejad Win in Iran: ‘It’s Not Possible!
Iran’s Interior Minister announced Saturday that incumbent president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had won 63.29% of the vote in the nation’s closely watched presidential poll. The announcement, greeted with widespread skepticism by Iranian opposition supporters and by foreign analysts, has brought thousands of people onto the streets where they have encountered a strong police presence and the threat of violence.

Was the election stolen? According to the Iranian Interior Minister Sadeq Mahsouli, there has been no ‘written complaint’ about voter fraud. He declared that the presidential elections were conducted in a manner that ruled out the possibility of voter fraud. “No violations that may have influenced the vote have been reported, and we have received no written complaint,” he said in response to a question posed by an Italian reporter.

It’s also worth mentioning that contrary to what our media would have us believe, Ahmadinejad doesn’t have much power in Iran. The President is not the most powerful person in the country. He is not the commander in chief and does not control the army and the intelligence and security services. He does not have the power to go to war. Those powers are reserved for the supreme leader of Iran Ayatollah Khomeini.

[Mtoto]

	Quote:	MwanaFalsafa1
	Ok la mafuta we are on the same page right now. Kuhusu historia ya nchi. Unajua nchi yoyote haiwezi kubaki juu siku zote. Kuna Wamisri na falme za West Africa ambao ndiyo walikuwa watu wa kwanza kuwa na vyuo vikuu na watu walikuja mbali kupata elimu mfano Timbaktu. Kukaja Wagiriki na Warumi waka tawala dunia na kuwa mataifa yenye nguvu mwishoni yakafa. Persia which includes hiyo Iran chini ya Alexander the Great wali tawala 1/3 ya dunia. Wakaja Uingereza wakawa na territories zinazo fikia 2/3 ya dunia lakini nayo ika pungua nguvu na kuipisha Marekani. Kama nilivyo sema mwanzo Marekani kama Marekani ime zaliwa miaka 200 na iliyo pita. Kuna nchi kama Canada iliyo zaliwa 1867. Kuna nchi pia kama Australia ambayo Waingereza waliitumia kutupa wahalifu wao huko.

Okay...hapo umetaja Marekani, Canada na Australia. Hizi nchi zin kitu fulani kilicho very common....supression of the indiginous peoples. Hao watu walioleta maendeleo huku yanayowafanya wameremete mpaka sasa ivi ni wazungu waliotoka Uingereza. Ndo maana wakati mwingine wana-refer to England as the motherland. Hawa watu walipokuja, waliwatawala indiginous people wa hizo nchi, mpaka leo, wameishia kutupiliwa mbali. Angalia Red Indians marekani, Canada, na Aboriginals Australia. Nasema uongo? Yani ukitoa uraia...wana links zote na Uingereza. Kwa hiyo maendeleo ya hizo nchi yameletwa kutokana na culture na traditions za hawa watu walizozileta kutoka Uingereza, au sio? Taja nchi nyingine, ambayo haina link yeyote na Uingereza. Ungeniambia Russia..., hapo sijui mengi sana juu yao. Lakini nayo ni nchi iliyochoka ukienda vijijini mwao. Status yao ya developed inatokana sana na Cold War era!

[MwanaFalsafa1]

	Quote:	Mtoto
	Okay...hapo umetaja Marekani, Canada na Australia. Hizi nchi zin kitu fulani kilicho very common....supression of the indiginous peoples. Hao watu walioleta maendeleo huku yanayowafanya wameremete mpaka sasa ivi ni wazungu waliotoka Uingereza. Ndo maana wakati mwingine wana-refer to England as the motherland. Hawa watu walipokuja, waliwatawala indiginous people wa hizo nchi, mpaka leo, wameishia kutupiliwa mbali. Angalia Red Indians marekani, Canada, na Aboriginals Australia. Nasema uongo? Yani ukitoa uraia...wana links zote na Uingereza. Kwa hiyo maendeleo ya hizo nchi yameletwa kutokana na culture na traditions za hawa watu walizozileta kutoka Uingereza, au sio? Taja nchi nyingine, ambayo haina link yeyote na Uingereza. Ungeniambia Russia..., hapo sijui mengi sana juu yao. Lakini nayo ni nchi iliyochoka ukienda vijijini mwao. Status yao ya developed inatokana sana na Cold War era!

Ok I see your point. Let me entertain your idea and ask, what do you think we as a nation should do now to develop?

[Mtoto]

	Quote:	MwanaFalsafa1
	Ok I see your point. Let me entertain your idea and ask, what do you think we as a nation should do now to develop?

Nadhani tungechukua mfumo wa Stalin. Tunaweka program ya five years, na katika hiyo miaka mitano tuna-target a certain specific area alone. Sio kana kwamba tunasahau areas nyingine, lakini tunaipa kipaumbele hiyo area. Kwa mfano tunaweza kusema kilimo cha kisasa na elimu kwa kuanza. Kilimo ni muhimu kwa maana sidhani kama kumeshakuwa na nchi iliyoendelea inayotegemea misaada ya chakula. Lazima tuweze kuji-support kwanza. Umuhimu wa elimu nadhani ni kitu kilicho wazi.
Pia, lazima tukubali kuwa sisi (generation yetu hapo wote JF) hatutakaa tuone Tanzania iliyofika stage ya kuitwa upper second world. Tukilazimisha sana, tutajikwamua kutoka third world in 50 - 60yrs.
Pili, uwazi katika kazi za serikali. Kwa sasa serikali yetu ni kama kichaka. Inafanya mambo yake kwa siri mno. Tunataka uwazi na a constant flow of data kutoka kwao. Bila hilo wataendelea kuboronga na sisi kuumia bure. Elimu itachangia katika uelewaji wa hizo data.
Na tatu, utawala bora wa sheria. Huu utaendena na uwazi.

Wewe je?

[Buchanan]

Kwani Irani ikisemwa kuna ubaya gani? Mbona Ahmed Nejad huwa anazungumzia juu ya mataifa mengine tena kwa vitisho? Au ni kwa sababu walioukosoa uchaguzi ng vyombo vya habari vya Marekani? Mbona baada ya Sept 11 Aljazeera wamekuwa wakiiandika vibaya Marekani? Pia Press TV (ya Iran) ndio kabisaa hawana jema toka US. Hukumuni kwa haki juu ya masuala yanayohusu vyombo vya habari vya Marekani mkilinganisha na vya Mashariki ya Kati.

[MwanaFalsafa1]

	Quote:	Mtoto
	Nadhani tungechukua mfumo wa Stalin. Tunaweka program ya five years, na katika hiyo miaka mitano tuna-target a certain specific area alone. Sio kana kwamba tunasahau areas nyingine, lakini tunaipa kipaumbele hiyo area. Kwa mfano tunaweza kusema kilimo cha kisasa na elimu kwa kuanza. Kilimo ni muhimu kwa maana sidhani kama kumeshakuwa na nchi iliyoendelea inayotegemea misaada ya chakula. Lazima tuweze kuji-support kwanza. Umuhimu wa elimu nadhani ni kitu kilicho wazi. Pia, lazima tukubali kuwa sisi (generation yetu hapo wote JF) hatutakaa tuone Tanzania iliyofika stage ya kuitwa upper second world. Tukilazimisha sana, tutajikwamua kutoka third world in 50 - 60yrs. Pili, uwazi katika kazi za serikali. Kwa sasa serikali yetu ni kama kichaka. Inafanya mambo yake kwa siri mno. Tunataka uwazi na a constant flow of data kutoka kwao. Bila hilo wataendelea kuboronga na sisi kuumia bure. Elimu itachangia katika uelewaji wa hizo data. Na tatu, utawala bora wa sheria. Huu utaendena na uwazi. Wewe je?

Kwanza una takiwa kujuwa kuwa mfumo wa Stalin is a failed one. In the long run mfumo was Stalin uliongeza maskini USSR na kuingiza mianya ya rushwa ndani ya chama which supposedly believed in kila mtu kugawana sawa. So kama waanzilishi wenyewe wa huo mfumo umefail naomba uniambia why you think kwetu tutaweza.

Pili, nchi yoyote masikini ita priorities mambo itaki isitake. Hii ni kutokana na mipango au vitu vya kufanya kuwa vingi na pesa zilizopo kuwa chache. Huu mfumo is not exactly wa Stalin in the sense that nchi yoyote yenye serikali bora ina takiwa kuwa na long term plans pia na short terms plans. Hata wenzetu walioendelea wana fanya hivi.

All in all your idea is good but kama ni hivyo tatizo si culture and tradition kama ulivyo sema bali tatizo ni kuwa na viongozi wasio na vision.

[Mtoto]

	Quote:	MwanaFalsafa1
	Kwanza una takiwa kujuwa kuwa mfumo wa Stalin is a failed one. In the long run mfumo was Stalin uliongeza maskini USSR na kuingiza mianya ya rushwa ndani ya chama which supposedly believed in kila mtu kugawana sawa. So kama waanzilishi wenyewe wa huo mfumo umefail naomba uniambia why you think kwetu tutaweza. Pili, nchi yoyote masikini ita priorities mambo itaki isitake. Hii ni kutokana na mipango au vitu vya kufanya kuwa vingi na pesa zilizopo kuwa chache. Huu mfumo is not exactly wa Stalin in the sense that nchi yoyote yenye serikali bora ina takiwa kuwa na long term plans pia na short terms plans. Hata wenzetu walioendelea wana fanya hivi. All in all your idea is good but kama ni hivyo tatizo si culture and tradition kama ulivyo sema bali tatizo ni kuwa na viongozi wasio na vision.

kama unadhani mfumo wa five years plan wa Stalin uli-fail ningekushauri ukasome historia vizuri. I will assume that ulidhani ninazungumzia communism. Nadhani ni bora kwanza uelewe kuwa five year plans zilikuwa tofauti na communism. Communism was the background ideology, wakati zile five years plans ndo zilikuwa sera - economic policies.
Kwa nini zilikuwa successful: Russia iliweza ku-move kutoka nchi iliyokuwa imedorora kiuchumi (mainly a farming country) mpaka kufikia nchi yenye uwezo wa kupambana ki-vita na Ujerumani (iliyokuwa na the fastest growing economy in Europe then). Sitaki kukupa a history lesson, lakini all-in-all huu mfumo wao uliweza kuinyanyua Russia kwa haraka kupita mategemezi ya wengi. Kama umesoma historia unaweza kujua hii famous quote yake wakati anaongelea hili swala...(not quoting word to word). It goes like this: "We are 50 to 100 years behind the West. We need to make good this distance in 10 years. We either do it, or they will crush us." Nadhani na hii iko very applicable katika situation yetu.
The advantage to this pamoja na uwazi ni; unapoweka targets ambazo zipo wazi kwa kila mwananchi, basi inakuwa rahisi kufanya kazi pamoja katika kuzitimiza (serikali na wananchi lazima wafanye kazi pamoja). Sawa Stalin was a trayant, na aliua over 40mil Russians katika kutimiza targets zake, lakini that doesnt mean we need to go down the same line. We can find effective and efficient means za kuweza kuzifanyia kazi hizi targets.

Umesema nchi yeyote yenye longterm goals inakuwa na mfumo huu: Can you please provide FACTS. Nipe longterm goals za US or any other developed country in that matter. I WANT FACTS, sio uropokaji.

Culture na traditions zina-play part katika kujenga jamii iliyo tayari kupokea maendeleo. Thats my point. Marekani isingeweza kufika hapa, kama haikujengwa na Waingereza waliohamia huko ambao walikuwa na culture na traditions walizozitoa Uingereza. Culture yao unaweza kusema ni utawala bora, kufanya kazi kwa sifa (take pride in their work), elimu (maana vyuo kama cambridge na oxford vilikuwa vimeanzishwa), nk. Umenielewa? Hivi ni vitu vilivyo katika background. Vimejengeka katika misingi ya jamii. Wataalam wanaita commonly shared background values, cultures, traditions. Sasa wewe leo umwambie Mmasai, nataka kuendeleza kilimo, atakuelewa? Lakini katika society yao ya wamasai, wana a common shared tradition ya kufuga ng'ombe. Na wanawapa ng'ombe value zaidi ya mimi na wewe tunayoweza kuwapa. Ni kitu ambacho kinafanya kazi unconsciously. Sio unaweza kusema kuwa...kha...hichi hapa. Ndo maana narudia, kuwa na a longer history inakusaidia katika kujenga hili. Mfano mwingine mzuri China, Japan. So the longer your history is, the more thess common shared culture, value, tradition, are passed on and cemented in you. This is what we LACK kutokana na kuwa watu waliokusanywa chini ya bendera moja!

[MwanaFalsafa1]

	Quote:	Mtoto
	kama unadhani mfumo wa five years plan wa Stalin uli-fail ningekushauri ukasome historia vizuri. I will assume that ulidhani ninazungumzia communism. Nadhani ni bora kwanza uelewe kuwa five year plans zilikuwa tofauti na communism. Communism was the background ideology, wakati zile five years plans ndo zilikuwa sera - economic policies. Kwa nini zilikuwa successful: Russia iliweza ku-move kutoka nchi iliyokuwa imedorora kiuchumi (mainly a farming country) mpaka kufikia nchi yenye uwezo wa kupambana ki-vita na Ujerumani (iliyokuwa na the fastest growing economy in Europe then). Sitaki kukupa a history lesson, lakini all-in-all huu mfumo wao uliweza kuinyanyua Russia kwa haraka kupita mategemezi ya wengi. Kama umesoma historia unaweza kujua hii famous quote yake wakati anaongelea hili swala...(not quoting word to word). It goes like this: "We are 50 to 100 years behind the West. We need to make good this distance in 10 years. We either do it, or they will crush us." Nadhani na hii iko very applicable katika situation yetu. The advantage to this pamoja na uwazi ni; unapoweka targets ambazo zipo wazi kwa kila mwananchi, basi inakuwa rahisi kufanya kazi pamoja katika kuzitimiza (serikali na wananchi lazima wafanye kazi pamoja). Sawa Stalin was a trayant, na aliua over 40mil Russians katika kutimiza targets zake, lakini that doesnt mean we need to go down the same line. We can find effective and efficient means za kuweza kuzifanyia kazi hizi targets. Umesema nchi yeyote yenye longterm goals inakuwa na mfumo huu: Can you please provide FACTS. Nipe longterm goals za US or any other developed country in that matter. I WANT FACTS, sio uropokaji. Culture na traditions zina-play part katika kujenga jamii iliyo tayari kupokea maendeleo. Thats my point. Marekani isingeweza kufika hapa, kama haikujengwa na Waingereza waliohamia huko ambao walikuwa na culture na traditions walizozitoa Uingereza. Culture yao unaweza kusema ni utawala bora, kufanya kazi kwa sifa (take pride in their work), elimu (maana vyuo kama cambridge na oxford vilikuwa vimeanzishwa), nk. Umenielewa? Hivi ni vitu vilivyo katika background. Vimejengeka katika misingi ya jamii. Wataalam wanaita commonly shared background values, cultures, traditions. Sasa wewe leo umwambie Mmasai, nataka kuendeleza kilimo, atakuelewa? Lakini katika society yao ya wamasai, wana a common shared tradition ya kufuga ng'ombe. Na wanawapa ng'ombe value zaidi ya mimi na wewe tunayoweza kuwapa. Ni kitu ambacho kinafanya kazi unconsciously. Sio unaweza kusema kuwa...kha...hichi hapa. Ndo maana narudia, kuwa na a longer history inakusaidia katika kujenga hili. Mfano mwingine mzuri China, Japan. So the longer your history is, the more thess common shared culture, value, tradition, are passed on and cemented in you. This is what we LACK kutokana na kuwa watu waliokusanywa chini ya bendera moja!

Soma vizuri post yangu. Nimesema nchi yoyote kuendelea lazima iwe na some form of hiyo five year plans kwa maana kila nchi lazima iwe na long term goals na short term goals. Kwani five year plans siyo short term goals? Au? If so niambie nchi gani imeendelea bila long term na short term goals?

[Eqlypz]

Mshasema US Media ebo!! wao wana linda interests zao sasa kama mkiona mabaya ya US basi na nyie mwakosoe kwa njia wanazotumia wao au tafuteni njia nyingine za kuwakosoa na kuonyesha makosa yao.

[Mtoto]

	Quote:	MwanaFalsafa1
	Soma vizuri post yangu. Nimesema nchi yoyote kuendelea lazima iwe na some form of hiyo five year plans kwa maana kila nchi lazima iwe na long term goals na short term goals. Kwani five year plans siyo short term goals? Au? If so niambie nchi gani imeendelea bila long term na short term goals?

let me get this straight. Kwanza umeniambia niseme what i would do kusaidia Tanzania. Nikakwambia nitaweza hizo aggressive measures za term goals. Sasa wewe ukasema ni kitu kilicho obvious na kinachotumika. Sawa. Sasa unataka nikutajie nchi ambazo hazitumii targets whether short term or long term? Mimi sioni kwa nini nitaje maana mimi sijasema hakuna nchi isiyokuwa nazo. Wewe unayesema ni kilicho obvious katika muongozo wa nchi, unaweza kunitajia short term na long term goals za Tanzania?

[Mzalendohalisi]

1. Mtoto & Mwanafalsafa hii discusion hapo juu imeenda shule! Poa!

2. Sasa..why Mwal. failed?? Sii alijaribu kuwaweka watu ktk vijiji vya Ujamaa?? Au alikuwa mpole mno?? Au hawakuwa tayari bado kubadilika?? Je Watz sasa wapo tayari kubadilika??