Topic: Azimio La Arusha: Why We Were Dead Wrong!

Well, heshima mbele sana JF,

- Ninaomba kusema tena na tena, we were Dead wrong na idea za Azimio La Arusha, infact ndilo limetufikisha hapa tulipo yaani tumekwama hili taifa, hatujui tunakokwenda wala tulikotoka. Halafu wanatokea wasomi wanaodai eti turudi kwenye Azimio, hilo Azimio limetushinda mwanzoni kwa nini kuna wanaoamini tutaliweza sasa?

- Recently, nimeona wale wengi walioachwa kwenye uongozi wa juu yaani kwenye mlo, wakililia Azimio, halafu ninachukizwa sana ninapoona media inawapa free lunch hawa waliokosa mlo, sijawahi kuwasikia wakisema Azimio liliwahi kumfunga kiongozi gani wa juu mwizi, sijawasikia wakisema Azimio lilifanya nini cha maaana mpaka wanalilia!

- Mwalimu, yes was the greatest ever, lakini Mwalimu alikuwa na mapungufu makubwa mawili, hakujua;- !. Uchumi 2. Sheria, hivi vitu viwili Mwalimu simply hakuvijua kama alivijiua basi hakuvitilia maanani, na ndivyo vinavyolitafuna taifa letu sasa akiwa hayupo!

- WA-TANZANIA, KAMA TUNATAKA KUSONGA MBELE NA KIJIREKEBISHA TUACHANE NA MANENO YA AZIMIO LA ARUSHA, KWA SABABU NDILO HASA LIMETURUDISHA NYUMA SANA, LISIRUDI, LIENDE ZAKE, NA TUSILIJADILI MAANA NI SHETANI LILILOTURUDISHA NYUMA SANA, SASA TWENDE MBELE NA UBEPARI NA UTAWALA UNAOHESHIMU SHERIA NDIO THE BEST WAY MBELE!

RESPECT PEOPLE!

Mr. Willie @DSM City!

By Gagnija

Azimio la Arusha is being discussed here as if it were all about ujamaa villages. What about all the resources we have decided to give away to the so called investors after dumping the policy? It's almost 20 years after the dump, are we, as a nation, any better today?

To some extent it was all about ujamaa villages. In 70s and before that more than 90% of Tanzanians lived in rural areas, and the number of Tanzanians who were relocated were more than 13 million.

Concerning other resources, you should be specific. Otherwise we will be discussing imaginary issues.

By Mkandara

U said:- "Independence is to allow people to make their own decisions and not to have a government of indigenous autocrats". Nigger pleeeease! give me one country whereby people make decisions not subjected to their own government authority or jurisdiction?. If so, where does - No one is above the law stands?. Independent also means not rely on aid and support - are we?.. My guess u kinder confused 'cause it's always been - The government for the people. I wonder, who brain washed u 'cause I keep on repeating myself on the same issue. I was in those villages You weren't, so was the professor and reseachers of the aftermath.

Ujamaa villages wasn't meaned to empower people, but hand over a piece of their share of the cake, give them life, place confidence in the ability of science to improve every aspect of their life, it's about recognise and reorganise the countryside on communal basis since 90% of our nation income and population relied on farming. This is/was what we call Economic macro view...That is the fact brother either U like it or not. Success gat nothing to do with that!..

As you have said, Ujamaa villages weren't a new concept - Russia, Israel, Mexico, Brasilia, China all practised communa villages in their own form. This was never a schematic vision forcebly impose to people as argued by most modernist ideologies who mix Economics with Freedom and liberty. Ujamaa was an invention out of neccesity which placed people with their land for farming, fully responsibe and accountable for success in our hand. Given confidence in the ability of science to improve every aspect of our life. but we FAILED even after use of authoritarian state power to effect large-scale interventions of the cause. We failed and failed simply because of our own ignorance and greedness. What I call - A fundamental tension of modernity! It's like a deeling with a teenager who have chosen sex exploitation as the basis of his/her right, a son who turned gay as the right for being independent.

Bro, am a father and religious..If it happened that my friends, sons and daughter chose of this world against God's word, can't blame on Islaam or Christianity as the utopian schemes that have inadvertently brought death and disruption to millions who resist of the faith - They - themselve have failed.

Why should I give a country? Where you live typifies what I try to say. Mind you, people are very creative and it doesn’t matter where they live. If you give them some sort of freedom they will produce wonders.


Nyerere had his own vision how Villages should work. However, from the center of his power to rural areas, he created multiple layers of bureaucracy the country had ever seen or experienced. What’s worse, in each layer there was a lack of leadership skills and qualities. So the responsibility for Ujamaa Villages or for that matter Azimio la Arusha failure rests squarely with Nyerere. He had the vision, and he selected who should execute his mission.


Now concerning Ujamaa Villages being part of macroeconomic, I don’t buy it. Only communists in Eastern Europe were methodical. Nyerere and his company in Africa were just populists at best. They didn’t know what they were doing and the types of philosophical challenge they were facing. They didn’t expect capitalism to survive within their own lifetime. But it did.

Communal villages in Soviet Union and China were implemented by force and many people lost their lives. In Russian the number of those who died is more than 20 Million while in China the number is more than 30 Million. So I don’t understand when you say “This was never a schematic vision forcebly impose to people as argued by most modernist ideologies who mix Economics with Freedom and liberty.”


In Tanzania, the implementation of Ujamaa villages could have killed many people. There was huge shortage of food, and without the help of international donors, probably some of us wouldn’t have survived.

Bado mko na Azimio la Arusha? Mleta mada keshaisahau kabisa!

By W. J. Malecela

Well, heshima mbele sana JF,

- Ninaomba kusema tena na tena, we were Dead wrong na idea za Azimio La Arusha, infact ndilo limetufikisha hapa tulipo yaani tumekwama hili taifa, hatujui tunakokwenda wala tulikotoka. Halafu wanatokea wasomi wanaodai eti turudi kwenye Azimio, hilo Azimio limetushinda mwanzoni kwa nini kuna wanaoamini tutaliweza sasa?

- Recently, nimeona wale wengi walioachwa kwenye uongozi wa juu yaani kwenye mlo, wakililia Azimio, halafu ninachukizwa sana ninapoona media inawapa free lunch hawa waliokosa mlo, sijawahi kuwasikia wakisema Azimio liliwahi kumfunga kiongozi gani wa juu mwizi, sijawasikia wakisema Azimio lilifanya nini cha maaana mpaka wanalilia!

- Mwalimu, yes was the greatest ever, lakini Mwalimu alikuwa na mapungufu makubwa mawili, hakujua;- !. Uchumi 2. Sheria, hivi vitu viwili Mwalimu simply hakuvijua kama alivijiua basi hakuvitilia maanani, na ndivyo vinavyolitafuna taifa letu sasa akiwa hayupo!

- WA-TANZANIA, KAMA TUNATAKA KUSONGA MBELE NA KIJIREKEBISHA TUACHANE NA MANENO YA AZIMIO LA ARUSHA, KWA SABABU NDILO HASA LIMETURUDISHA NYUMA SANA, LISIRUDI, LIENDE ZAKE, NA TUSILIJADILI MAANA NI SHETANI LILILOTURUDISHA NYUMA SANA, SASA TWENDE MBELE NA UBEPARI NA UTAWALA UNAOHESHIMU SHERIA NDIO THE BEST WAY MBELE!

RESPECT PEOPLE!

Mr. Willie @DSM City!

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Ni mada nzuri, imejadiliwa kwa marefu na mapana. Yapo mawazo bora kabisa yameibuka humu, vile yale ya kale yameboreshwa zaidi. Imani na falsafa mpya zimezaliwa humu.
Swali.
Je, imetosha kutoa mawazo tu na kupotea? Nani mwenye jukumu la kubadilisha mawazo haya katika vitendo kama sio sisi wenyewe? Nani wa kuipigania imani yako kama sio wewe mwenyewe? Itakuwa na maana gani kuacha mawazo yako endelevu kupotea, kwa kutegemea fulani atayafanyia kazi. Ni unafiki na usaliti mkubwa kuamini usichokiishi, au kuishi usichokiamini.
Ubunifu haujawai kufikia mwisho, upo kila siku, na kila mtu ana nafasi sawa katika hilo. Tusijikweze wala kujishusha! Wote tupo sawa! Ni vyema kufikria kuweka mawazo yako katika vitendo, kuliko kubakia kupiga domo.
Mungu wetu anaita!

By JingalaFalsafa

Je, imetosha kutoa mawazo tu na kupotea? Nani mwenye jukumu la kubadilisha mawazo haya katika vitendo kama sio sisi wenyewe? Nani wa kuipigania imani yako kama sio wewe mwenyewe? Itakuwa na maana gani kuacha mawazo yako endelevu kupotea, kwa kutegemea fulani atayafanyia kazi. Ni unafiki na usaliti mkubwa kuamini usichokiishi, au kuishi usichokiamini.

...Kubadilishana mawazo ni jambo jema kabisa, na si usaliti, kama utakosa nafasi ya kuyaweka kwenye vitendo, mawazo hayo.

...Halafu, si kila wazo lapaswa kufanywa kuwa kitendo. Jingine huwa ni chakula cha akili tu -kukufanya ujenge fikra bora zaidi-, na si zaidi ya hapo.

...Kufikiri na kujadiliana na wenzako juu ya unachofikiri, ni kitendo tosha cha kuishi unachokiamini.

...Karibu sana!