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Old 3rd February 2009, 07:36 PM  
Poor people are more taxed
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Generally poor people are more taxed.
The tax systems contribute directly to peoples' poor conditions.
When basic human needs like foods, fuel and soft drinks are taxed,
the effect go directly to the poor class.
How can poor people be rescued from these killing taxes?

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I said in my statement ''My argument will still be, if all persons (natural & legal) are to follow the taxation laws, high income earners are more payers of tax than low income earners!'', ur correct on the fact that, the tax base in TZ is not wider enough to catch all fishes (small&bigger), there is a lot of income that goes untaxed because of inefficincies in administration of the available taxation laws!

All my arguments here, have the assumption that, we have efficient taxation systems and administration, there is no tax evasion, there is a wider tax base etc.

You are talking about middle class...I am not sure, if the thread starter was referring them as ''poor people'', I thought he was referring to unskilled labourer, wage earners, subsistance farmers who we say they live below a dollar per day.......!

If you want to compare employees vs business persons (informal ones), I would agreed 100% with you that, we employees suffer a lot cause every thing we get is taxed, while people working in the informal sector, if they pay tax is just a mere estimate, most of them don't pay! For your information, by 2006 the Registered Tax payers in Tanzania (excluding employees) were just 250,000! The rest of businesses you know, just envading tax!

So the point here is to assume all factors are constant (ceteris paribus), then rich people pay higher tax than poorer ones!

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I think we should discuss what is happening now by taking out the constant factors. Becauase, what you are saying is what is supposed to be, but if you look on the reality I am 100% poorer people (low income earners) are taxed more consdering percentage income mass balance than rich ones. Let us consider all factors (mutatis mutandas) than governing the people now. Forget about TRA books of what should be. Thereafter, we should narrow down to solutions.
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Kwanza naomba nisema kitu kimoja,
TRA wameshindwa kubuni mtindo ambao ni perfect kuwanusuru maskini wetu.
Tax policies zinatakiwa kuwa formulated kwa kufuata makundi haya matatu

a) Regressional Tax .Hii hapa inamuumiza zaidi maskini na tajiri anaendelea kuongezewa.This system is not suitable

b)Proportional Tax. Hapa maskini na tajiri hulipa sawa.So,still it will be counted as another way of exploiting the disadvantaged group in a society

c) Progressive Tax ambayo inasaidia Tajiri kumpunguzia utajiri wake maskini.yaani alichonacho hulipa zaidi.I think TRA failed on this ground


Hata hivyo njia za kuwapunguzia maskini mzigo ni kuangalia zaidi kwenye Incidence and impact of Taxazation.Kuna wakati kabisa unaona kuna kodi nyingine zinaepukika through backward carriage of taxation but still utakuta some firms zinamsukumia mzigo wholesaler,nae anasukuma kwa retailer huku nae akimsukumia consumer.

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Kwanza naomba nisema kitu kimoja,
TRA wameshindwa kubuni mtindo ambao ni perfect kuwanusuru maskini wetu.
Tax policies zinatakiwa kuwa formulated kwa kufuata makundi haya matatu

a) Regressional Tax .Hii hapa inamuumiza zaidi maskini na tajiri anaendelea kuongezewa.This system is not suitable

b)Proportional Tax. Hapa maskini na tajiri hulipa sawa.So,still it will be counted as another way of exploiting the disadvantaged group in a society

c) Progressive Tax ambayo inasaidia Tajiri kumpunguzia utajiri wake maskini.yaani alichonacho hulipa zaidi.I think TRA failed on this ground


Hata hivyo njia za kuwapunguzia maskini mzigo ni kuangalia zaidi kwenye Incidence and impact of Taxazation.Kuna wakati kabisa unaona kuna kodi nyingine zinaepukika through backward carriage of taxation but still utakuta some firms zinamsukumia mzigo wholesaler,nae anasukuma kwa retailer huku nae akimsukumia consumer.

Sababu kubwa unakuta serikali haijaweza kudhibiti hii hali kwa kuruhusu monopolly kwenye biashara nyingi
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In most societies there are three levels of economic class.
1.Working class
2.Middle class
3.Upper class

Ukiangalia majority Tanzania ni working class then kuna baadhi waliyo bahatika kuwa middle class na wajuu zaidi upper class. Sasa hapa nimeona comparisons between poor na upper class to je what about the middle class? How does the middle class feature in Tanzania?
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In most societies there are three levels of economic class.
1.Working class
2.Middle class
3.Upper class

Ukiangalia majority Tanzania ni working class then kuna baadhi waliyo bahatika kuwa middle class na wajuu zaidi upper class. Sasa hapa nimeona comparisons between poor na upper class to je what about the middle class? How does the middle class feature in Tanzania?
Middle class and Upper class are more or less the same on the issue of comparing between the poor and the rich.
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